kasper Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 OK RAA management you are officially and irrevocably in my bad books. 1. your intransigence in acknowledging that the membership fees have ALWAYS included an element of funding towards the magazine AND insisting that the removal of the printed mag without a cent off the membership fees was a massive fee increase is NOT HONEST 2. offering the subscription to the magazine at LESS THAN COST (per the RAA) means that the self same members who have experiences a wacking great increase in effective membership fees are STILL subsidizing a magazine in paper form we no longer receive 3. you choose to reintroduce the annual RAA calendar AND choose to give it ONLY to to those who get the PRINTED MAG ... and the calendar is never printed free SO the self same non-paper mag members who are already subsidizing the printed mag are paying IN FULL for the calendar WHICH WE WILL NEVER RECEIVE Now if this is the CEO I want his head on a spike - this is a MEMBER organisation and the concept of spending on a loss lead (the Oct mag makes clear the calendar is being 'sold' as a benefit of magazine subscription) is really peeing off this member. This is year 22 of my membership and in all honesty I would now gladly leave and never return if it were not for the pilots certificate. The board and management not only FAIL to communicate but are clearly taking the piss. 1 5
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Kasper I know as fact that you are absolutely wrong about non paper members subsidising paper members. Happy to discuss with you if you want via email or mobile 0414962648 Andy
ev17ifly2 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Kasper I know as fact that you are absolutely wrong about non paper members subsidising paper members.Happy to discuss with you if you want via email or mobile 0414962648 Andy If your quick you can catch up with Bull who was also on the last stage out of town. Judging from your avatar you fly trikes so why not jump to HGFA that way you can give them a pasting as well !
ev17ifly2 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 If your quick you can catch up with Bull who was also on the last stage out of town. Judging from your avatar you fly trikes so why not jump to HGFA that way you can give them a pasting as well ! Sorry, Andy, I was responding to The friendly ghost not you. You don't tend to bang on
kasper Posted October 20, 2015 Author Posted October 20, 2015 Kasper I know as fact that you are absolutely wrong about non paper members subsidising paper members.Happy to discuss with you if you want via email or mobile 0414962648 Andy So would you like to place a bet on me not being able to produce a communication from RAA that the offer to take up 18 issues for the cost of 12 is not slightly below the cost of production? check ALL your RAA communications Andy ... hint look for the one where they are 'selling' the calendar with the subscription. If we are to believe communications from RAA then we should believe all of them shouldn't we?
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 You really do need to give me a ring....I'll explain, you and I will shake our heads and then I suspect move on......
Keith Page Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 You really do need to give me a ring....I'll explain, you and I will shake our heads and then I suspect move on...... It is not a slight of hand Andy? 1+2=3 you know there is a fiddle of numbers there somewhere.. Not adding up for me either.. Part of our membership paid for a magazine -- now it is in this fancy electronic stuff or we pay "extra" for a paper copy. Hmmmmmmmmmm..? Regards, KP.
Yenn Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Maybe the part of the magazine that those who don't get the printed issue pay for is the cost of collecting and collating all that goes into the magazine. It must surely cost something even before it goes to the printers. I used to think it was only poms that were whingers, but if so there are a lot of pommies flying ultralights.
jetjr Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 No the membership price went up on price THEN a discount given to those not requiring paper magazine Calander too was a waste of money for me
dazza 38 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Life woud be a lot simpler if pilots could send in a copy of their RPC to CASA and then CASA issue a Sport pilot licence with all of the RPC holders endorsements on it, with this licence allowing holders to fly RAA registered aircraft. With no need for the holders to be a member of the RAA. 1 4
pmccarthy Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 And you can all go to heaven without having to go to church on Sunday.
DrZoos Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 I think there is an illusion that the magazine is free to digital and all the cost of the magazine is in printing.. Postage is a huge cost, layout, editing, writing, selling advertising etc all still costs significant coin regardless of whether its paper or digital. I agree that by going digital we all recieved, a substantial fee increase , but i think some of the assumptions of paper v digital costs are not as clear cut... Personally i dont mind the fee increase if its used wisely and effectively, but if i see waste , i see red...as far as a motorsport organisation goes , this is pretty cheap for what we get and the associated workloads and risk profiles 1 2
kaz3g Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Life woud be a lot simpler if pilots could send in a copy of their RPC to CASA and then CASA issue a Sport pilot licence with all of the RPC holders endorsements on it, with this licence allowing holders to fly RAA registered aircraft.With no need for the holders to be a member of the RAA. Dazza I rather think if your scenario came true that there would be no RA registered aircraft to fly as the organisation would quickly collapse financially. Of course CASA could pick up that responsibility and make sure that everyone was complying with their requirements 110%, I guess? Kaz 2
dazza 38 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 DazzaI rather think if your scenario came true that there would be no RA registered aircraft to fly as the organisation would quickly collapse financially. Of course CASA could pick up that responsibility and make sure that everyone was complying with their requirements 110%, I guess? Kaz Yup, that is a risk I am willing to take. I like level playing fields and we don't have one at the moment. RPC holders have to pay money yearly in registration fees and membership fees while others flying GA registered aircraft do not.
ev17ifly2 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yup, that is a risk I am willing to take. I like level playing fields and we don't have one at the moment. RPC holders have to pay money yearly in registration fees and membership fees while others flying GA registered aircraft do not. Isn't that a small price to pay to fly RA ? Owning, maintaining, flying and complying a GA aircraft is massively more expensive. And I can guarantee you that if we came under CASA's umbrella our overall cost of flying would increase with us ending up subsidising GA 3
dazza 38 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Isn't that a small price to pay to fly RA ? Owning, maintaining, flying and complying a GA aircraft is massively more expensive.And I can guarantee you that if we came under CASA's umbrella our overall cost of flying would increase with us ending up subsidising GA I also meant that we would still be able to maintain our aircraft like we still do now. Nothing changes apart from CASA simply issuing a " sports pilots licence". SAAA members can service their aircraft as long as they built it and do the maintenace course. The RAA imo is past its use by date. I am only a member because I have to be and we are paying through the nose for it and we dont even get a magazine anymore. My yearly Sporting shooters membership renewal turned up today and it only costs me $87 per year to be a member AND I get a excellent glossy monthly magazine . I dont read the online version and if I miss out on something important, so be it. PS- Going by the photos of the RAA staff wearing those hi viz vests in that propaganda photo shoot, they look like they have plenty of time and money to eat. 1
DrZoos Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 CAMS for motorsports is around $260 plus club membership $120, plus $20 to $100 per event motorcycle N.sW is similar for motocross and enduro triathlon is $160 per year plus around $60 (shorter events) to $875 (Ironman) per event half marathons cost from $60 to $90 eaxh, Marathons $60 to '$130 .mountain bike about $100 per year plus $10 to $150 per event None of those include a glossy magazine None of these organisations deal with near the BS that RAA has to via CASA Unfortunately the high costs of compliance and user pays dictates that its pretty hard to join anything for less than about $80 p.a 1
Downunder Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yeah, but the RAA don't organise, oversee and control multitple competitive events. What we're talking here it bang for your buck. Every Feburary I get a bill for one hundred and something dollars so I can tell them "yes, I own this aircraft". After I pay, someone makes a little plastic card for me to put on my plane. This little card ensures I fly legally To me this is just revenue raising and going through the motions of pretending it means something.
DrZoos Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yeah, but the RAA don't organise, oversee and control multitple competitive events.What we're talking here it bang for your buck. Every Feburary I get a bill for one hundred and something dollars so I can tell them "yes, I own this aircraft". After I pay, someone makes a little plastic card for me to put on my plane. This little card ensures I fly legally To me this is just revenue raising and going through the motions of pretending it means something. Do you honestly believe that is all they do? 3
jetjr Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Most other groups mentioned either dont deal with legislative side or it is done for them Shooters have police run checks and rego, CASA run ga. all on the public purse Time and public says user pays and it will happen here too. Are you suggesting it would be ok for only builders in RAA to self maintain? the MPC cousrse is very expensive and you do need to be SAAA member think Massive changes Keep clear in mind CASA would likely be happy if RAA and all its aircraft dissapeared. 2
SDQDI Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I certainly appreciate the extra link between CASA and me, I don't mind paying my yearly dues for the exemptions that I get to fly under. IMHO if we lost Raa we would lose a lot of our freedoms very quickly. Just look at CASAs attempt at a drivers medical. 1
geoffreywh Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 you're forgetting our insurance too. I tend to think it (RAA) is a bargain. I too, was miffed at the cost rise by stealth. But I got over it! 1
ev17ifly2 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I certainly appreciate the extra link between CASA and me, I don't mind paying my yearly dues for the exemptions that I get to fly under. IMHO if we lost Raa we would lose a lot of our freedoms very quickly. Just look at CASAs attempt at a drivers medical. Also, at least our Jab owners have RAA to soften the heavy hand of CASA, what about the GA equivalent, the ubiquitous Cessna. As of June next year unless they have carried out the current SIDS they are grounded. Minimum inspection cost is around $12000 plus whatever work is required. I know it's a safety issue but you can buy a Sh.t load of magazines for that money. Once Cessna is done look out Piper. I too feel fortunate to fly under the RAA and let them deal with the governing body
ev17ifly2 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I also meant that we would still be able to maintain our aircraft like we still do now. Nothing changes apart from CASA simply issuing a " sports pilots licence". SAAA members can service their aircraft as long as they built it and do the maintenace course.The RAA imo is past its use by date. I am only a member because I have to be and we are paying through the nose for it and we dont even get a magazine anymore. My yearly Sporting shooters membership renewal turned up today and it only costs me $87 per year to be a member AND I get a excellent glossy monthly magazine . I dont read the online version and if I miss out on something important, so be it. PS- Going by the photos of the RAA staff wearing those hi viz vests in that propaganda photo shoot, they look like they have plenty of time and money to eat. I wish people would stop holding up the SSAA as an example. They are a de facto political party who receive hefty contributions from self interested parties. Effectively you are paying $87 for a glossy mag and not much else. Apart from the clout provided by a large political organisation in lobbying the authorities so we can keep our firearms
dazza 38 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I wish people would stop holding up the SSAA as an example. They are a de facto political party who receive hefty contributions from self interested parties. Effectively you are paying $87 for a glossy mag and not much else.Apart from the clout provided by a large political organisation in lobbying the authorities so we can keep our firearms And I am paying a lot more than that for a plastic credit card sized RPC that fits in my wallet.
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