fly_tornado Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Kogalymavia Flight #7K9268 disappeared over Egypt 23 min after departure from Sharm el-Sheikh http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3
red750 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Details on Wikipedia. A321 with 217 on board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kogalymavia_Flight_9268
red750 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 10:30 pm. ABC News 24 and Sky News now advising 224 on board. ABC says 45 ambulances sent to the crash site in rugged country. Vladimir Putin has expressed condolences to the families who lost loved ones, and ordered an investigation.
fly_tornado Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 my theory: sounds a bit wild but I reckon this is payback for the Russian bombing of Syria? 3
red750 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Although ISIL have claimed responsibility, military officials say that ISIL do not have missiles capable of hitting aircraft at high altitude, according to 7 news. 1
Guest Howard Hughes Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Although ISIL have claimed responsibility, military officials say that ISIL do not have missiles capable of hitting aircraft at high altitude, according to 7 news. Sadly, it doesn't need to be a missile!
dutchroll Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Imagine a world where the possession or non-possession of various forms of weaponry by rebels, separatist groups, and rogue states as claimed by western military officials was always accurate! I can only dream of what such a world would be like!
fly_tornado Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 this guy "vanished" off the CIA/ASIO radar for 10 years http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4340203.htm
DGL Fox Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Yes sadly a bomb or as some commentators are saying it could have been a opportunistic hit as the plane came down lower to land at Cairo airport after the pilot radioed he had some technical issues...who knows...just don't fly over that part of the world...bloody cowards these terrorists... David
dazza 38 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Although ISIL have claimed responsibility, military officials say that ISIL do not have missiles capable of hitting aircraft at high altitude, according to 7 news. Video has been released released from ISIS showning a airliner bing shot down. The video is on Knights Templar international. 1
Guest ozzie Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Whatever happened it was incredibly quick. Surely ISIS can't be that stupid to destroy a Russian leased aircraft. If they did it will be a sure quick response from Purtin. Some of the Facebook rumor pages say there is already movement of Russian Nukes. Why waste expensive weapons. Just mustard gas the mongrels.
Methusala Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 I would take a lot of notice of face book page rumors on nukes. Putin is not crazy.
Marty_d Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Whatever happened it was incredibly quick. Surely ISIS can't be that stupid to destroy a Russian leased aircraft. If they did it will be a sure quick response from Purtin. Some of the Facebook rumor pages say there is already movement of Russian Nukes. Why waste expensive weapons. Just mustard gas the mongrels. Because these cowards hide among civilian populations. Killing innocent people is the surest way to radicalize their families. 3
dutchroll Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Why waste expensive weapons. Just mustard gas the mongrels. As Marty said, ISIS are in and about the struggling-to-just-survive civilian population all the time (regrettably). If you're happy to have your TV screen saturated with 4 year old kids from the local village dying from mustard gas exposure then sure, go for it.
Spooks Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Very sad. I had read that the aircraft involved suffered a tail strike in 2001, so could be a delayed result of the repair? A long time on I know but it is a possibility. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20151031-0 If ISIS are involved ( imagine a bomb smuggled on board is more likely than a missile in that scenario? ) they've just opened up a massive world of hurt as Russia wont be afraid of giving them a good kicking beyond anything they've experienced so far. If it is a terrorist incident it'd destroy the already fragile tourist industry in Egypt.
fly_tornado Posted November 1, 2015 Author Posted November 1, 2015 ^^ isn't this what IS wants though? I thought the Russian where bombing the Free Syrian Army not IS. At least that's what was reported last week. judging by the wreckage, looks like it broke up in air. 1
Guest ozzie Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 As Marty said, ISIS are in and about the struggling-to-just-survive civilian population all the time (regrettably).If you're happy to have your TV screen saturated with 4 year old kids from the local village dying from mustard gas exposure then sure, go for it. Russians are well known for killing civilians, remember Afghanistan when they dropped exploding 'butterflies' that the kids picked up. At least this time they are telling non combatants to leave the area where they are going to spank. It will be interesting to see what the recorders have to say. Maybe it will come down to the tail strike repair some 11 years ago as it looks like this is the area it failed first. An Airbus version of the Japanese 747 rear pressure bulkhead failure some years ago.
pylon500 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 judging by the wreckage, looks like it broke up in air. The wing looks to have been intact at impact, and not very fast. No good picture of the overall wreckage spread, but I feel it is all fairly localised, adding to the slow impact thought. The wreckage spread could indicate a spinning (stalled) impact, with centrifugal forces spreading the wreckage. Extremities and heavy items would travel the farthest, nose, tail, engines. Interesting clue is the broken off (but attached) fin. Could this be a repeat of the American Airlines Airbus crash, where the pilots overloaded the fin, breaking it off, whereupon the aircraft spun into the ground.....?
Guest ozzie Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/02/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sinai/
fly_tornado Posted November 2, 2015 Author Posted November 2, 2015 Kogalymavia have done a presser saying it was an inflight break up of the airbus a321 due to external forces. A source in the Egyptian investigation committee says the crashed Russian plane was not struck from the outside (Reuters)
Guest ozzie Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 This is the image that i keep coming back to, the area behind the door. Disregard the crush damage from impact with the ground. The reports coming out tend to confirm the bulkhead blowing out and damaging the control systems pitching the aircraft up the down rapidly up to 3000ft each way. More than enough to rip the tail off forward of the door. I don't think that there would have been any foul play here. They say the tail strike 11 years ago was heavy damage and after that 747 tail strike and crappy repair it just starts to all point that way. Have to see just how wrong i am as the facts come to hand.
dazza 38 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The russian secret service are now saying that the crash was caused by an external act. Time will tell.
HeliPilot70 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Sounds like the carrier doesn't have a great record... hard landing that injured 46 passengers and not paying their staff for 2 months! http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/egypt-crash-jet-flown-by-airline-with-chequered-record/ar-BBmKjhp?ocid=News
DrZoos Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 i will be extremely suspicious of all findings in this case if it involves a bomb, or is made to look like it did... Too many major interests at stake here to trust anyone, and the propoganda by all sides is already showing that.. 4
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