farri Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Syllabus of flight training, issue 7 - October 2014 RA-Aus inc 11. STALL ENTRY AND RECOVERY 11.1 Approach Stall 11.2 Stall Entry 11.3 Stall Recovery 11.4 Stall Recovery While Turning 20. MANAGE ABNORMAL SITUATIONS 20.1 Recover from Unusual Attitudes 20.2 Tuck/Tumble Avoidance 20.3 Manage In-Flight Abnormal Situations Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Reading that I have to wonder what they are on. Is it expanded at all, somewhere? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I have seen many instructors interpret words like that to mean recover at first stall warning in the turn. The new Part 61 MOS doesn't allow any wriggle room - it states "stall under the following conditions ... " with the recovery action specified in a separate paragraph then it goes further with the execution of incipient spins from S&L, climbing and turning. I have spoken to CASA FOI's who haven't yet read the MOS and I know that many instructors haven't either so my guess is that it will take many years for this to sink in. I'll also hazard a guess that a lot of schools/instructors will never do it - too scary etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It is so non specific it could mean anything including almost nothing. When someone does something and comes unstuck, and isn't that what we are trying to address, how will the section be reviewed? Adequate? No way Jose. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 ..... Tumble Avoidance ... Best way is to NOT suddenly apply full forward stick, full rudder and full aileron with full throttle at the same time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomcovak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 18.3 Spiral Dive Recovery • Recognition of a spiral dive • Recovery from a spiral dive is performed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Best way is to NOT suddenly apply full forward stick, full rudder and full aileron with full throttle at the same time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomcovak I think 'tuck and tumble' is in regard to trikes, 2 axis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 3. STEEP LAZY EIGHTS 3.1 Entry 3.2 Maintenance 3.3 Airmanship I don`t see anything on Spins,in the Syllabus. Best way is to NOT suddenly apply full forward stick, full rudder and full aileron with full throttle at the same time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomcovak Way back when I was instructing, I had a student in the front seat of the Drifter and the lesson was power on and power off stalls! I had him follow through with me then handed over... He got the nose up to the stall but wasn`t lowering it to recover so I said, " Push the stick forward, quickly," he responded quickly and the nose went almost vertical ....I changed my wording, after that. Frank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Reading that I have to wonder what they are on. Is it expanded at all, somewhere? Nev Not that I can see! Frank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 In a turn which is where most stall problems that bring you unstuck originate, your safe speed is constantly changing .... Hands up who has ever been tested stalling in a turn. Nev Hi Nev, I was taught stalls in climbing turns and with flap out back in the 80s. I was also taught spins, spirals and recovery and unusual attitudes under the hood. I had a damn good instructor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 ?.... The new Part 61 MOS doesn't allow any wriggle room - it states "stall under the following conditions ... " with the recovery action specified in a separate paragraph then it goes further with the execution of incipient spins from S&L, climbing and turning....... I'll also hazard a guess that a lot of schools/instructors will never do it - too scary etc. I spoke to a CFI today from a school which has revised its syllabus to conform to Part 61 - yep, he said that probably quite a few instructors don't do it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now