Gnarly Gnu Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The ATSB, like almost every Government organisations except the Border Force, is very under-funded. Hahaha... a government department under-funded? In Australia too? Can we shift this to the laughter forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The witness saw the plane impact the water at very low altitude. I would have been surprised if it impacted water at high altitude! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 True Yenn, but it's just a shorthand use of English. Not too many people studied précis in English at school. I did, and was still picked up on a statement by someone on this forum. Social media, and media generally with it's requirement for minimum words leads to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Off topic, but speaking of English, the Radio news repeated several times yesterday that a man has died after his body was found in a car washed away by floods. He did well to survive until after his body was found! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 hope Feb is death free 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Be good wouldn't it? How's everything going? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The Point Lonsdale lighthouse is now a memorial. Flowers and tributes adorn the lighthouse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The witness saw the plane impact the water at very low altitude. I would have been surprised if it impacted water at high altitude! Perhaps I should have written (and the witness should have stated): The plane was seen flying at very low altitude. A short while later it impacted the water. But I think we all knew the intended meaning.......... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Way I look at it is if the fishermen had visibility of about a km at sea level the pilot had a lot less than that at any altitude above sea level Grey low clouds means grey sea very hard to distinguish a horizon My money is on spatial disorientation but that's only my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 The problem is lack of a horizon. Over water the sky and sea blend in the sort of conditions existing. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I read the Geelong advertiser and this caught my attention. Maybe the maintenance release? "Earlier on Monday, police said a critical piece of evidence may hold the key to solving the crash after a crucial document washed ashore over the weekend." "Police said a member of the public located the item on the beach before contacting police in the days after the passenger plane that crashed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piecrust Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Went for a fly two weeks ago and made the decision to turn back not far out of the circuit. Drove into town grabbed a coffee and pie, went for a drive to mannum and by the time I returned it had cleared. Have experienced the white out for a long period of time and can guarantee you that I will avoid at all costs. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 SEARCHERS have discovered more wreckage from the doomed plane which crashed off Barwon Heads and killed four people, last Friday. Water police discovered what is believed to be the engine block, prop and part of the fuselage of the Piper Cherokee plane 4km offshore, between Point Lonsdale and Barwon Heads on Wednesday. Divers are expected to access the site and continue to search for the fourth body once conditions are more favourable, police have said. An exclusion zone has been put in place by police and the coroner’s office at the site of the wreckage http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/bellarine-peninsula-plane-crash-wreckage-discovered-by-police/news-story/4669bc4e80599dcb9d3f0492d81d2db5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperplace Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Went for a fly two weeks ago and made the decision to turn back not far out of the circuit. Drove into town grabbed a coffee and pie, went for a drive to mannum and by the time I returned it had cleared. Have experienced the white out for a long period of time and can guarantee you that I will avoid at all costs. where was this? YMBD? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Murray Bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperplace Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I was flying out of there yesterday. You were a long way from home, shafs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piecrust Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 where was this? YMBD? Rollos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I was flying out of there yesterday. You were a long way from home, shafs https://skyvector.com/airport/YMBD/Murray-Bridge-Airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEM Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Wreckage recovered http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-07/barwon-heads-plane-crash-wreckage-found-body-missing/7146520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairoaks Flyer Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 The four who lost their lives offshore at Barwon Heads would all be around enjoying a drink in the bar now if they had:- Got a weather forecast Filed a flight plan Only flown VFR in VMC weather Flown within their own limitations and licences It just shows that if you want to get to the King Island music festival, you need to do flight preparation. It has taken me 4 days to find suitable weather to fly 14nm to have annual maintenance done! 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bats Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Not disagreeing with the general thrust of your post FF, but I don't believe filing a flight plan would have achieved anything in this instance. I'm probably a little sensitised to the phrase, given the media's propensity to seize on the lack of a flight plan and imply it contributed to whatever accident they are reporting on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlurE Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 ATSB Preliminary report: https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2016/aair/ao-2016-006/ The tight turns over Ocean Grove are concerning - and it's hard to image they're sightseeing on a day like that. "Wreckage examination indicated that the aircraft’s fuselage and associated components were subjected to high impact forces and subsequently failed in overload. The aircraft’s wings were not located. A number of aircraft components, including the engine and propeller, were recovered for later technical examination." How sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 VFR into IMC resulting in a death spiral ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_spiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlurE Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 VFR into IMC resulting in a death spiral ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_spiral I wonder if the wings came off due to overload in flight - or on impact where they might have floated off for some distance before sinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 180 seconds to tragedy: Fatal Point Lonsdale crash blamed on poor visibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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