Ford Fairlane Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Hey guys! Have been wanting to get my licence for quite some time (im 43 now) and I live out in Yass. Im doing my research at the moment and it seems that pilots with type 1 diabetes (insulin dependent) are not allowed to hold a licence. I have read a little bit about CASA class 2 medical certificate but cant really see a definitive answer as to what that entails.. I don't really want waste my time dreaming about something that's not achievable under current laws so my research continues! anyway regards to everyone and thanks for reading :)
mnewbery Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Firstly, welcome. Yass may have a new aerodrome quite soon if things go well. Secondly, have a read through this thread: Flying with Insulin Dependent Diabetes 1
Ford Fairlane Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 thanks! yes I have read it but and some other posts and some talk about the class 2 and some people have spoken about "safety pilots". From what im reading so far it looks as though its a hard no to diabetics with type 1 for CPL but not sure about restrictions on RPL or PPL. How awesome if Yass gets a new aerodrome! I wont have any excuses after that lol
mnewbery Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 The short story. Caveat I am not a doctor: Type 2 Diabetes - Non-insulin dependent - Low risk of hypoglycaemia Pilot and Controller Information Type 2 diabetes is an aeromedically significant medical condition. Pilots and controllers who have been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes are required to ground themselves and notify this condition to their DAME. When an applicant’s medication is changed, or when its dosage is changed, they must not exercise the privileges of their medical certificate until cleared by their DAME Monitoring is modelled on Diabetes Australia and the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners recommended practice to minimise additional requirements for aeromedical certification. Certificate duration limited to 12 months because of the variable nature of the condition and its complications So it's possible to hold a class 2 medical for 12 months in specific cases but only after A LOT of paperwork, reports by specialists and stuffing around
Ford Fairlane Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 The short story. Caveat I am not a doctor: Type 2 Diabetes - Non-insulin dependent - Low risk of hypoglycaemia So it's possible to hold a class 2 medical for 12 months in specific cases but only after A LOT of paperwork, reports by specialists and stuffing around Unfortunately this only talks of type 2 (im a type 1 insulin dependant)
mnewbery Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Type one link is here Type 1 Diabetes - Insulin dependent - High-risk of hypoglycaemia To have the safety pilot requirement removed, the applicant must carry out the specified in-flight requirements as above and provide the on-ground and in-flight data to CASA for assessment and consideration. The ongoing requirements for any subsequent certification are as follows: two whole blood glucose measuring devices must be carried and used grounding and reporting to CASA immediately of grounding and reporting to CASA immediately of any hypoglycaemic incidents requiring external assistance any involvement in accidents resulting in serious injury (whether or not related to hypoglycaemia) any evidence of loss of control of diabetes, change in treatment regimen, or significant diabetic complications [*]endocrinologist’s report at 3-monthly intervals. Information required is listed below. If there is no change to status or control of diabetes, these reports may be accumulated and submitted annually with the next medical application. With any change, the applicant MUST ground themselves and await clearance from CASA.
Ford Fairlane Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 thank you so much! and wow how restrictive!
mnewbery Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 So is staying on the ground. Many would advise you to go RA-Aus. This won't get you a controlled airspace entry as entering controlled airspace legally still requires (amongst other things) a Class 2 medical or better. So if you don't want to do controlled air space, a valid car drivers licence in terms of being medically fit is all that is required for an RA-Aus licence.
Neil_S Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 So is staying on the ground.Many would advise you to go RA-Aus. This won't get you a controlled airspace entry as entering controlled airspace legally still requires (amongst other things) a Class 2 medical or better. So if you don't want to do controlled air space, a valid car drivers licence in terms of being medically fit is all that is required for an RA-Aus licence. With diabetes RA-Aus still requires you to get a letter from your GP every year saying your diabetes is under control and you are fit to hold a driver's licence. That is what I have to do with my Type 2...... Cheers, Neil
fjdoug Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 [quoteentering controlled airspace legally still requires (amongst other things) a Class 2 medical or better. are you sure?
fjdoug Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 ^^ I recently ditched my Class 2 and went with the GP issued Recreational "Drivers Licence" medical, I can still fly in controlled airspace. 1
68volksy Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 First of all welcome to the community! A DAME is the only real way to get a definitive answer about your particular case. List of the ones near you is at: Designated Aviation Medical Examiners - ACT Dr Pitcher is a pilot himself and other pilots have recommended him. I use a DAME here in Goulburn by the name of Dr Hutchins but haven't had any medical "issues" to work through yet so can't comment on that area.
GraemeK Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 This won't get you a controlled airspace entry as entering controlled airspace legally still requires (amongst other things) a Class 2 medical or better. I also thought that was the case, but it appears that the RPL controlled airspace endorsement doesn't require a Class 2 - the only restriction relates to number of passengers (1).
mnewbery Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Uh-huh. You need to have either a Class 1 or 2 medical certi cate or a recreational aviation medical practitioner’s certifcate to take the RPL flight test. https://www.casa.gov.au/file/124981/download?token=fvCcbm-V Or Getting your recreational pilot licence (RPL) | Civil Aviation Safety Authority
fjdoug Posted July 4, 2016 Posted July 4, 2016 Privileges, limitations and conditions of the RAMPC Q. What are the privileges and limitations of flying with a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate? You can fly a single engine piston aircraft (fixed wing or helicopter) up to 1500kg MTOW, under day VFR only. These conditions apply even if you are carrying another pilot in a control seat. If you are currently permitted to operate cross country and in controlled airspace, you may continue to do so as long as the aircraft is suitably equipped and maintained and you have completed a flight review within the last two years. You must not fly above 10,000 feet AMSL or conduct aerobatics, and there is a limit of one passenger. However, these three conditions are removed if a control seat is occupied by an appropriately qualified pilot who holds a Class 1 or Class 2 medical. If you wish to conduct aerobatics, the ‘safety pilot' must be endorsed for aerobatics. In other words, a ‘safety pilot' must be qualified to conduct the flight in that aircraft, at that location, and in that type of operation. For further information on the limitations if the Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate, please refer to the Fact Sheet. Q. If I have a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate, can I fly Night VFR, IFR or under a PIFR? No, it is condition that you must fly day VFR only. Q. If I have a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate, can I fly over populous areas? Yes, you can fly over populous or built up areas as long as the aircraft being flown has a certificate of airworthiness which allows this, and the aircraft is appropriately maintained. The minimum height requirements detailed in CAR 157 still apply and the aircraft must be operated in a manner that it can glide clear of persons and buildings on the ground in the event of a serious failure. Q. If I have a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate, can I fly in controlled airspace? Yes. You can fly in Class C or D airspace as long as you are qualified to do so, and your aircraft is suitably equipped and maintained. Q. Can I fly a helicopter on a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate? Yes, as long as it is a single engine piston helicopter up to1500kg MTOW and you are appropriately licensed. Q. Can I do my flight training using a Recreational Aviation Medical Practitioner's Certificate? Can I go solo? Yes. As a student pilot you can fly with the driver licence medical, including solo flight, as long as you comply with the conditions of the CASA instrument. All other existing CASA regulations still apply, such as the need for a pass in the General Flying Progress Test (GFPT) before you can carry a passenger. You can visit a Designated Aviation Medical Examiner at any time during your training to be assessed for a Class 1 or Class 2 medical certificate. Q. Can I sit for a RPL, PPL, or CPL flight test while operating under a driver's licence medical ?
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