Cop that, Donald Trump

[Marty_d]

Ronald Reagan was a movie actor, etc ...

...and look how well that turned out...

(Somewhere on this site is a picture of him sitting with a bunch of Taliban beardo's comparing them to the founding fathers...)

 

Reagan was responsible for ramping up the "war on drugs", which has been going for 35 years, costs about $51 billion a year, sees 1.3 million arrests for possession, is socially divisive, sees their prison system bursting with people who should not be in there, wrecks countless lives... and has not worked.

 

Not to mention the fact that prohibition does not, and never has, worked, and all it does is increase real crime including in the countries supplying the stuff.

 

What a legacy.

 

If Trump gets to be president, and he's worried about crime from down south, all he has to do is immediately decriminalise all recreational drugs. Problem solved.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...and look how well that turned out...(Somewhere on this site is a picture of him sitting with a bunch of Taliban beardo's comparing them to the founding fathers...)

 

Reagan was responsible for ramping up the "war on drugs", which has been going for 35 years, costs about $51 billion a year, sees 1.3 million arrests for possession, is socially divisive, sees their prison system bursting with people who should not be in there, wrecks countless lives... and has not worked...

...and despite all the rhetoric, Reagan left record budget deficits.

 

 

[SDQDI]

If Trump gets to be president, and he's worried about crime from down south, all he has to do is immediately decriminalise all recreational drugs. Problem solved.

That would be just as silly as bringing in a mandatory death sentence for possession. Certainly wouldn't solve the problem. For sure it may help reduce prison numbers but it definitely wouldn't improve society. While part of me thinks "if they are dumb enough to do that to themselves, just let them" another part of me has seen the damage drugs do first hand and I don't feel comfortable making them legal (except for medicinal purposes but even then only if okay end by a dr)

 

 

[bexrbetter]

The process of removing a dodgy president takes yonks and there's no telling what sort of mess he could get into in the meantime.

Mess?, what like trying to get into a hospital in America with no insurance? Having Police shot in the streets? In wars where they don't belong?

 

What sort of mess that could possibly be worse were you alluding to?

 

The 5 top banks of America who have as much wealth as the rest of the world's bank combined, have a total value of about 10 Trillion.

 

Those banks have unbelievably culminated combined loans based on derivatives (basically betting on future stocks, coal, copper, iron ore, even houses such as up to 2008, etc) of about 250 Trillion since they were bailed out in the GFC 2008. - and now interest rates are being raised to stop this and many of those loans will be defaulted just as they were in 2008, only bigger this time.

 

 

[Marty_d]

That would be just as silly as bringing in a mandatory death sentence for possession. Certainly wouldn't solve the problem. For sure it may help reduce prison numbers but it definitely wouldn't improve society. While part of me thinks "if they are dumb enough to do that to themselves, just let them" another part of me has seen the damage drugs do first hand and I don't feel comfortable making them legal (except for medicinal purposes but even then only if okay end by a dr)

It's not silly at all, IF they use the budget they save from the prison/law enforcement/justice/DEA/health system etc etc etc reductions in proper rehab and the root causes of addiction.

 

Look at Portugal. They've done this, and the results are in. It works.

 

Think of it this way - alcohol is legal but we're not all alcoholics. If alcohol were illegal we'd have moonshine stills popping up all over the place and people would be dying and going blind. Why are other drugs different?

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

You answered your own question, Bex.

 

The coming economic meltdown is but one disaster facing the US. There are more guns, more drugs, more unemployed, more in jail...

 

Social cohesion seems to be precarious in much of the country...and neither candidate is a Roosevelt.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

It's not silly at all, IF they use the budget they save from the prison/law enforcement/justice/DEA/health system etc etc etc reductions in proper rehab and the root causes of addiction.Look at Portugal. They've done this, and the results are in. It works.

Think of it this way - alcohol is legal but we're not all alcoholics. If alcohol were illegal we'd have moonshine stills popping up all over the place and people would be dying and going blind. Why are other drugs different?

The Portugul law, or lack of it and the results are interesting for sure. How it would carry over to a different culture base has some questions, the Portugese and the Dutch are smart enough to stay away from crack for example.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

You answered your own question, Bex.The coming economic meltdown is but one disaster facing the US. There are more guns, more drugs, more unemployed, more in jail...

 

Social cohesion seems to be precarious in much of the country...and neither candidate is a Roosevelt.

No, I answered your question, Trump did NOT do all of that.

 

Obama has been there since the last crash til now, he did it, he made this mess as his predecessors did.

 

 

[Litespeed]

Reagan was a complete failure and doomed America to a right wing view of the world that has incarcerated millions and destroyed the futures of millions of families.

 

He also came up with Reaganomics- the idea that tax cuts to corporations and the rich would trickle down and help the poor. All bullshite and proven as such. Except come last election when Malcom thought it was a great idea and found lots of fraudulent so called economics experts that it would work.

 

The only nice thing about Reagan that can be said -is he was actually already suffering dementia whilst president so has some kind of excuse.

 

Trump is a egomaniac who has built his empire on lies and ripping off people. The so called billions are fiction and relate mainly to his own valuation of his brand. He is not nor has ever been a actual successful business man in any ethical way and has built a house of cards of dummy corps and dodgy deals. All those "trump" buildings and such are actually owned by others and just use his brand name for marketing. His deals make Clive Palmer look like a paragon of ethics and legality.

 

I would rather have Hillary anyday. And it is noteworthy that her so called crime relates to using a secure personal email server instead of the state department one which was famous for been hacked and leaked like a sieve. That is why she is not charged because she was actually keeping her stuff secure and they know it. She has the experience of 8 years in the white house, 8 years as a senator and 4 years as Secretary of State. I would see her as a very safe person to guide America and its Foreign policy.

 

Which would you trust with the big bad red button? Hillary or a Egomaniac who has a very slim grip on reality and for whom facts are irrelevant.

 

And as for Kevin- he would actually make a excellent head of the UN. It is not a role for a lover of bureaucracy but for someone with great knowledge of how the world of diplomacy and politics works and a brain big enough to see the big picture. Someone who will not put up with others agendas and has the force of personalty to get stuff done. We tend to forget he actually has 30 years in diplomacy and is actually extremely well regarded at the top of the UN and in all the major powers that actually decide who gets the gig.

 

It was Rudd that created the G20, and formed ASEAN and is actually employed by the UN right now to formulate reform of its structure to make it relevant for the 21st century. He actually is excellent at this sort of stuff- the big picture stuff that matters on the world stage- there are plenty of minions below to do the paperwork. We never get to hear about this stuff because we are stuck in our little backwater thinking and partisan politics. Even those in labour that hate him admit on this stuff- he has talent and brains for it that are unrivalled. Contrary to what the press and LNP would have you believe he would if nominated be the most likely choice as Secretary General. He is the only name put forward that actually could meet the challenges of reforming the UN and would be acceptable to all 5 permanent members of the security council.

 

Turnbull has really screwed up for Australia and actually for the UN by playing politics and denying a nomination. It speaks volumes that our foriegn minister- the only one actually in the know, wanted him to be in the running.

 

But alas stupidity and vendettas has won the day.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

No, I answered your question, Trump did NOT do all of that.Obama has been there since the last crash til now, he did it, he made this mess as his predecessors did.

Bex the video media in your earlier post just opened. 91% of stimulus money ended up in exec salaries...

Hopefully the message that you can't just leave it to the market will finally be getting thru to Americans and they'll realise the crucial role that government has played in USA's great advances.

 

Blame Obama? Throughout his two terms Obama has been hamstrung by a rabidly hostile Republican Party.

 

The pundits blame Nixon for removing the Gold Standard and the Bushes and Clinton for letting loose the dogs of Wall Street.

 

I'm not blaming the Donald for the current mess, but I doubt he's the one to get them out of it.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Which would you trust with the big bad red button? Hillary or a Egomaniac who has a very slim grip on reality and for whom facts are irrelevant.

Do you have a total blindness to written history do you?

 

Hillary Clinton was one of the 82 of 208 Democrats to vote "Yes" to invade Iraq, i.e. she already has pressed a red button.

 

She was in charge of funding the Ukraine revolution against the democratically elected Government, another red button.

 

She pushed the US into Libya, another red button.

 

There's more but that's enough to make you comment look rather nonsensical.

 

In the meantime Trump wants to pull from Nato, make friends with Russia, would have talks with Nth Korea and mostly concentrate on internal development. Yeah, real War Monger there.

 

Trump is a egomaniac who has built his empire on lies and ripping off people.

Holy cow, you mean he's a businessman? Oh my goodness.

 

About Hillary;

 

Her personal speeches for selective banks and military corporations are on record, and so are the millions she has been paid for those speeches. But I'm sure no favour has ever been swayed, just a great speechmaker.

 

Then there's Whitewater'gate, File'gate, Travel'gate, CattleFutures'gate, StolenWhitehouseGifts'gate, TaxCheat'gate, and just a whole bunch of controversies around the Clinton Foundation and how so much wealth has been amassed by 2 Public Servants in their time in Office.

 

So verifiable warmongering criminal lying bitch Vs businessman.

 

Oh, and she's reputably Bi, so at least one redeeming feature

 

 

[facthunter]

All proof there's no point bringing up politics here. Nev

 

 

[bexrbetter]

All proof there's no point bringing up politics here. Nev

Yeah I'm out, hands getting better and I got to get back to getting some work done.

 

I won anyway.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Yeah I'm out, hands getting better and I got to get back to getting some work done.I won anyway.

Another indisputable fact! Good on ya Bex - it's been a fun chat.

 

 

[Yenn]

Moonshine is alive and well in our unrestricted alcohol society. In the last few weeks a man has been convicted of making moonshine which killed his son and severely injured others.

 

Even so I think decriminalisation of drugs would be a good thing. One plus would be that prices would drop and make it less profitable for criminals. We would just have to make sure druggies paid for their own medical treatment.

 

 

[facthunter]

IF the drugs are available the users don't rob their parents or old ladies to get the funds to buy them. WE pay the highest prices in the world for the stuff. Don't encourage the use though. It should never be acceptable to blow your brains with some drug and expect to get acclaim for behaving like an ars#0!e and probably destroying your genes forever. Peer group pressure is important. I my day if you were a bad drunk you couldn't hold your liquor and should give up drinking, rather than make an ass of yourself. A lot of reformed users would make good mentors. Nev

 

 

[cscotthendry]

Reagan was a complete failure and doomed America to a right wing view of the world that has incarcerated millions and destroyed the futures of millions of families.He also came up with Reaganomics- the idea that tax cuts to corporations and the rich would trickle down and help the poor. All bullshite and proven as such. Except come last election when Malcom thought it was a great idea and found lots of fraudulent so called economics experts that it would work.

 

The only nice thing about Reagan that can be said -is he was actually already suffering dementia whilst president so has some kind of excuse.

 

Trump is a egomaniac who has built his empire on lies and ripping off people. The so called billions are fiction and relate mainly to his own valuation of his brand. He is not nor has ever been a actual successful business man in any ethical way and has built a house of cards of dummy corps and dodgy deals. All those "trump" buildings and such are actually owned by others and just use his brand name for marketing. His deals make Clive Palmer look like a paragon of ethics and legality.

 

I would rather have Hillary anyday. And it is noteworthy that her so called crime relates to using a secure personal email server instead of the state department one which was famous for been hacked and leaked like a sieve. That is why she is not charged because she was actually keeping her stuff secure and they know it. She has the experience of 8 years in the white house, 8 years as a senator and 4 years as Secretary of State. I would see her as a very safe person to guide America and its Foreign policy.

 

Which would you trust with the big bad red button? Hillary or a Egomaniac who has a very slim grip on reality and for whom facts are irrelevant.

 

And as for Kevin- he would actually make a excellent head of the UN. It is not a role for a lover of bureaucracy but for someone with great knowledge of how the world of diplomacy and politics works and a brain big enough to see the big picture. Someone who will not put up with others agendas and has the force of personalty to get stuff done. We tend to forget he actually has 30 years in diplomacy and is actually extremely well regarded at the top of the UN and in all the major powers that actually decide who gets the gig.

 

It was Rudd that created the G20, and formed ASEAN and is actually employed by the UN right now to formulate reform of its structure to make it relevant for the 21st century. He actually is excellent at this sort of stuff- the big picture stuff that matters on the world stage- there are plenty of minions below to do the paperwork. We never get to hear about this stuff because we are stuck in our little backwater thinking and partisan politics. Even those in labour that hate him admit on this stuff- he has talent and brains for it that are unrivalled. Contrary to what the press and LNP would have you believe he would if nominated be the most likely choice as Secretary General. He is the only name put forward that actually could meet the challenges of reforming the UN and would be acceptable to all 5 permanent members of the security council.

 

Turnbull has really screwed up for Australia and actually for the UN by playing politics and denying a nomination. It speaks volumes that our foriegn minister- the only one actually in the know, wanted him to be in the running.

 

But alas stupidity and vendettas has won the day.

It is also arguable that Reagan and his minions committed treason by arranging with a hostile government to rig the election that got him into power. He and his people arranged for the Iranians to refuse to negotiate with Jimmy Carter over the hostages. Reagan also sold weapons to a hostile government (Iran) and used the proceeds to fund the Contras in Nicaragua.

In a similar vein, Nixon did a deal with the North Vietnamese to stall the peace talks to sway the US election his way, another act of treason by Republicans. Then the whole Republican party wrote a letter to a hostile government (Iran again) telling them not to negotiate a nuclear weapons ban with Obama. Why? Just because they hate Obama with a hysterical frothing irrational hatred. Finally, the members of which party have entered into a written pact with a non-elected person (Grover Norquist) to NEVER increase taxes, no matter what? You guessed it, the Republicans again. Swearing an oath to work against the interests of your country is treason IMHO.

 

 

[facthunter]

It's certainly conspiracy writ LARGE. You have to respect an office and the rules and the process and separation of powers. If you only do that IF it suites your aims, you have anarchy. No rule of LAW. Nev

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

It is also arguable that Reagan and his minions committed treason by arranging with a hostile government to rig the election that got him into power. He and his people arranged for the Iranians to refuse to negotiate with Jimmy Carter over the hostages...

The son of the Lear Jets founder has publicly told how he was involved, and that George Bush sen., when campaigning as Reagan's VP candidate, flew to Paris to negotiate that noxious deal with the Ayatollah.

To maintain secrecy (and his electioneering schedule) he was flown home in a Blackbird.

 

The release of the hostages was thus delayed in order for the B-Grade movie actor to get the credit.

 

Jimmy Carter- the decent man- got shafted and the media made Reagan and Bush into heroes.

 

 

[Litespeed]

Unfortunately it is only ever a treasonous act when it is done by the left, otherwise it is just good politics.

 

Illegal acts seem to happen here all the time in a effort to subvert justice or try and engineer the downfall of a government when Labour are in power. But they never seem to get proper attention from the fed police or media.

 

Eg Utegate - the use of a blatent lie by Turnball and a pulblic servant Gordon Grech to try and bring down Rudd. No charge brought but heaps of laws broken.

 

Peter slipper affair- Mal brough is still at large and no charges have been laid even though he admitted it on Tv. My guess is the case will run out of time some how.

 

Not forgetting all the other dirty illegal money laundering for donations by the Liberals- charges are none.

 

If it was a Labour , Greens, anyone else it would be hell to pay.

 

Justice is very blind to the facts and whats legal in this country. The separation of powers are completely ignored by the LNP.

 

 

[red750]

It all depends on what side of the fence you are on, they are all as bad as one another, Liberal, Labor, Callithumpian, you name it. A politician's first priority is to stay in power by any means.

 

 

[Marty_d]

I will not hear a bad word against the Callithumpians.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

What a loveable guy!

 

'Get the baby out of here': Trump asks crying kid to leave rally

 

...and the best reaction:

 

 

 

[M61A1]

 

I will not hear a bad word against the Callithumpians.

Really??? We had to fight them sometimes when I was in the defence force.....they're sneaky blighters.

 

 

[Marty_d]

What a loveable guy!'Get the baby out of here': Trump asks crying kid to leave rally

 

...and the best reaction:

 

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