Emirates B-777 incident at DUBAI.

[johnm]

I'll halve that Old K (average 50 km / h)

 

if a car could do 5,000,000 kms - the automotive manufacturing industry would be ruined

 

car salesman would be hiring the mafia to pour sugar in car fuel tanks at night ............... etc etc

 

 

[Marty_d]

I'll halve that Old K (average 50 km / h)if a car could do 5,000,000 kms - the automotive manufacturing industry would be ruined

 

car salesman would be hiring the mafia to pour sugar in car fuel tanks at night ............... etc etc

I don't think people change cars because the mechanicals fail. They change them because they want a new model with shiny bells and whistles. My old XE Falcon (ex-taxi) had 750,000 on it when I sold it. Only 2 doors worked, fuel economy was woeful and it handled like a yacht, but it was still going strong.

 

 

[ben87r]

If old cars were maintained like aircraft I'm sure they would get there. New engine/gearbox/diff every 150k or so would go a long way.

 

 

[SDQDI]

Don't underestimate the extra wear and tear you get with four wheels constantly in contact with the ground. Planes have it easy to a certain degree only touching the ground for shortish times so unless you have a dodgy donk you shouldn't have excessive vibrations for the entire time.

 

Corrigations do cars no good, when we were out west we were constantly welding up cracks in the diffs and also cracks in the body, it just became part of the process at oil change time to pull out the welder and fix any new cracks. But the major components (engine and gearbox) never gave any trouble before 250,000 k's, in all three vehicles that I have worn out (2 pajeros and 1 landcruiser ute) they did a gearbox between 250-300k kms and needed major engine work between 300-400k kms.

 

I agree that the main reason for an upgrade is to keep up with the jones or get in front of them maybe for a bit. Although repairs can start to add up in an older diesel but even then I think they are still cheaper (than buying a new one, not in any way talking about the difference between diesel and petrol that is a whole different conversation!) EXCEPT the downtime can be a killer.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

I don't think people change cars because the mechanicals fail. They change them because they want a new model with shiny bells and whistles. My old XE Falcon (ex-taxi) had 750,000 on it when I sold it. Only 2 doors worked, fuel economy was woeful and it handled like a yacht, but it was still going strong.

Shame on you Marty for your excessive lifestyle. My Green Police will be visiting you!

 

 

[dutchroll]

Shame on you Marty for your excessive lifestyle. My Green Police will be visiting you!

I can't talk either. I own a Pitts which burns about 150 litres/hour at full power.

But then I do live off the grid (completely) so I consume zero electricity from non-renewable sources, have my own (natural) water supply, and process my own sewerage with the off-grid power. So I figure I break even and don't concede too much moral high ground. Sorry for the extreme thread drift.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Let he who is without (environmental) sin cast the first stone...

 

 

[Marty_d]

Shame on you Marty for your excessive lifestyle. My Green Police will be visiting you!

Guilty as charged OK, but I've balanced out for my sins by taking so long to build the CH-701. Each extra year I take is a year's worth of aviation-based pollution I'm not adding...

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Guilty as charged OK, but I've balanced out for my sins by taking so long to build the CH-701. Each extra year I take is a year's worth of aviation-based pollution I'm not adding...

...so we should be paying you to not finish it and fly... Reminds me of the Retention Money Fred Dagg used to speak of. Some NZ farmers were being retented into the ground...

 

 

[ben87r]

I can't talk either. I own a Pitts which burns about 150 litres/hour at full power.But then I do live off the grid (completely) so I consume zero electricity from non-renewable sources, have my own (natural) water supply, and process my own sewerage with the off-grid power. So I figure I break even and don't concede too much moral high ground. Sorry for the extreme thread drift.

Buttt!! How many tons of fuel are you responsible for each day you go to work!!

 

 

[Marty_d]

Buttt!! How many tons of fuel are you responsible for each day you go to work!!

Not his fault, he's just driving. Divide it among the passengers.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Not his fault, he's just driving. Divide it among the passengers.

...which would probably make air travel less polluting than driving- especially when we factor in the cost of roadworks.

 

 

[facthunter]

Margin fuel calculated at 10,600 lbs/hr that's a fair bit, and what I used to deal with. Anyhow this IS thread drift. Modern planes get a fuel/seat mile about the same as two on a postie bike but a lot faster and more comfortable and safer..Nev

 

 

[dutchroll]

Buttt!! How many tons of fuel are you responsible for each day you go to work!!

Yeah you got me there.

 

 

[onetrack]

Buttt!! How many tons of fuel are you responsible for each day you go to work!!

Ah just love the lingering smell of burning JetA1 in the morning! (apologies to Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore)

[Birdseye]

Thread drift? That's the norm around here!

 

 

[cooperplace]

Yes I reckon that's about right.

 

Therefore the B777 procedure in the books if you go-around after touching down is to make sure the thrust levers get pushed fully up. But had they ever practiced this? I wonder.......

 

It appears they were caught out in the heat of the moment by how the system behaves in that rare scenario. All they had to do was physically push them up.

Hi Dutch,

thanks; so maybe the Australian co-pilot will get hung out to dry on this? When in fact it's multifactorial?

 

The more I read about flying big jets, the more respect it gives me for their pilots: lots to learn, lots to do, lots of responsibility.

 

 

[Happyflyer]

Why should the co-pilot get hung out? Surely if the captain was the pilot flying, he should have advanced the power levers.

 

 

[facthunter]

The right thing is to run a few crews through the event in the type simulator. Often procedures get revised then when quite a few don't come out well. The buck stops with the Captain. As the Master of the Vessel, he takes ultimate responsibility, but it's a crew effort also. The PNF is actively supporting the show but in an ordered way. You don't see them hitting the Captain on the head and taking over often. Nev

 

 

[dutchroll]

Why should the co-pilot get hung out? Surely if the captain was the pilot flying, he should have advanced the power levers.

Yes.

But this is the United Arab Emirates, and the Captain was, I believe, an Emirati. The First Officer was a westerner.

 

Things work differently in the Middle East when locals (especially locals in "esteemed" positions) and westerners are concerned. It's a fact of life. Not one I like, but a fact of life all the same. So I'll be interested to see how it pans out.

 

 

[cooperplace]

Yes.But this is the United Arab Emirates, and the Captain was, I believe, an Emirati. The First Officer was a westerner.

 

Things work differently in the Middle East when locals (especially locals in "esteemed" positions) and westerners are concerned. It's a fact of life. Not one I like, but a fact of life all the same. So I'll be interested to see how it pans out.

yes, that's my concern also. There's a tendency there to blame the westerner.

 

 

[facthunter]

Not easy to do it in a situation with Airlines as the whole world has access to it and particularly the aircraft manufacturers who have shown they know how to look after THEIR interests and their country's reputation (in some cases) very adequately. Nev

 

 

[dutchroll]

You realise the Chairman of the Emirates Civil Aviation Authority who are doing the investigation, and the CEO of Emirates Group & the airline are one and the same person? He is also the uncle of the current ruler of Dubai.

 

Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

You realise the Chairman of the Emirates Civil Aviation Authority who are doing the investigation, and the CEO of Emirates Group & the airline are one and the same person? He is also the uncle of the current ruler of Dubai.Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum.

Seems like a reasonable separation of powers...

 

 

[facthunter]

The world still gets to look at the determination. As far as I can see no attempt to cover it up is evident. Nev