New Tech. Manual

[DrZoos]

Just junky ones we buy of eBay nothing exciting...its the thought that counts

 

 

[rolo_ford]

Just had a look at the trial questions for the L1 authority, came to

 

Question 22: Where will an aircraft owner or maintainer find information relating to

 

the timing of actions raised in an AN?

 

Reference: RAAus Technical Manual, Version 4, Section 13.1, 5.7 After searching through the new tech manual

 

for reference of the answer, only to discover the text in the manual does not proceed past section 13.1, 5.3. Another stuff up.

 

 

[Roundsounds]

Just had a look at the trial questions for the L1 authority, came toQuestion 22: Where will an aircraft owner or maintainer find information relating to

the timing of actions raised in an AN?

 

Reference: RAAus Technical Manual, Version 4, Section 13.1, 5.7 After searching through the new tech manual

 

for reference of the answer, only to discover the text in the manual does not proceed past section 13.1, 5.3. Another stuff up.

Yep, just a cut and paste of the L1 course created a couple of years ago.

 

 

[rolo_ford]

Yes but where is Section 13.1,5.7 of the new tech manual????

 

 

[Roundsounds]

Yes but where is Section 13.1,5.7 of the new tech manual????

The result of no/poor change management processes. No formal review or sign off process, maybe a "hey mate, have a look and see what you think" but no structure.

 

 

[rolo_ford]

Should have read, Section 13.1, 5.3c

 

 

[jetjr]

Aren't both manuals still active?

 

Of course you have informed the tech guys so they can fix the problem?

 

 

[Aerochute Kev]

I think it is wishfull thinking that many think they will have the opportunity to have changes made to the Tech Manual at the end of the consultation period. I had a written guarentee from the Ops Manager that would happen to the Ops Manual to correct glaringly obvious mistakes yet I got a phonecall from the CEO just over a week ago that they have now decided not to resubmit as CASA might charge them to do it and they consider it a waste of members money.

 

Bet the same will happen to the tech manual.

 

 

[Keith Page]

I think it is wishfull thinking that many think they will have the opportunity to have changes made to the Tech Manual at the end of the consultation period. I had a written guarentee from the Ops Manager that would happen to the Ops Manual to correct glaringly obvious mistakes yet I got a phonecall from the CEO just over a week ago that they have now decided not to resubmit as CASA might charge them to do it and they consider it a waste of members money.Bet the same will happen to the tech manual.

Well Aerochute Kev.... I believe you are 100% correct. Yes it will cost resubmit to CASA as it will be a new document.

The three documents namely *Constitution *Tech Manual *Ops Manual will all have the same treatment, "Too Expensive to Resubmit" because that will be a waste of money. That has what has been said on this forum many times. For those who have some time which can used to find more inconsistencies there will be few more hidden about manuals.

 

I do wonder why all the secrecy when writing and formulating. CASA can put out a NPRM.

 

I do like the line "Wishful Thinking".

 

KP

 

 

[Keith Page]

I think it is wishfull thinking that many think they will have the opportunity to have changes made to the Tech Manual at the end of the consultation period. I had a written guarentee from the Ops Manager that would happen to the Ops Manual to correct glaringly obvious mistakes yet I got a phonecall from the CEO just over a week ago that they have now decided not to resubmit as CASA might charge them to do it and they consider it a waste of members money.Bet the same will happen to the tech manual.

Just for interest add #38 Rod and #39TK58 to Aerochute Kev's post what is the answer.

KP

 

 

[Aerochute Kev]

Well KP, The answer I got was;

 

The RAAus CEO and Senior Staff (ably supported by the Chairman of the Board) will be determining what is best for all members.

 

They will produce these documents with input from a restricted group of members.

 

Rather than releasing the documents for general member consultation, they will have the documents approved by CASA under the guise that the document should be close to what the members want, and only need minor amendments after a 3-6 month consultation period.

 

They have no intention of acting on any member input or amending the documents after member consultation.

 

They will make any commitment to a member (in writing or otherwise) that they think will get them what they want, with no intention of actually keeping those commitments.

 

If the problem of fees charged by CASA is real, it would have to be better to get it right with Member input BEFORE sending it to CASA.

 

I am saddened that ELAAA is, at this stage, not to include PPC's.

 

 

[Yenn]

What are PPC's?

 

It is not only the constitution and the tech and ops manuals that need improvements, there are also the other docs alignd with the constitution, such as how RAAus and its members talk to each other.

 

The whole lot seem to me to be a sad documentation, open to all sorts of interpretations and with no real legal standing.

 

 

[ave8rr]

What are PPC's?.

Powered Parachutes.

 

 

[frank marriott]

The RAAus CEO and Senior Staff (ably supported by the Chairman of the Board) will be determining what is best for all members

As predicted would happen before the sickening change was voted in!

 

 

[Keith Page]

Frank something was arranged/entered into at the board meeting in Bundaberg and not all the board was agreeing, I am aware two were quite hostile.

 

The other interesting point Don Ramsay was relentless in wishing the constitution a success. Then when it was successful he resigned, most people will stay and enjoy the fruits of their labour. So back in October I was told the pending direction was not a good decision. There must be a lot of gullible sheeple in RAAus.

 

KP.

 

 

[frank marriott]

I am quite over this Keith.

 

Still a lot of supporters on this forum, so I suspect Australia wide as well, although I just haven't met one personally.

 

So I'll just sit back and watch (other then comment on some blatantly wrong statements) - the obvious will occur in time is my belief - just hope it occurs before all the money has gone and too many unchangeable regulations are introduced.

 

To be realistic, I have probably only got another 10years active flying left, so unless something happens shortly I will be able to sit back and talk about what could have / should have happened and laugh at what the current flyers have left.

 

I have even received a complaint from a member (who stood against me when I was elected) stating he was not happy that I let down the members who voted for me by resigning after a short time (obvious self promotion).

 

The message was CCed to the CEO and President (I really couldn't care if he also CCed the Queen of England)

 

I had to inform him that the change in representation (which he voted for) meant that we were sacked not resigned and perhaps he was not aware of what he actually voted for - but that's all history now.

 

 

[turboplanner]

I am quite over this Keith.Still a lot of supporters on this forum, so I suspect Australia wide as well, although I just haven't met one personally.

So I'll just sit back and watch (other then comment on some blatantly wrong statements) - the obvious will occur in time is my belief - just hope it occurs before all the money has gone and too many unchangeable regulations are introduced.

 

To be realistic, I have probably only got another 10years active flying left, so unless something happens shortly I will be able to sit back and talk about what could have / should have happened and laugh at what the current flyers have left.

 

I have even received a complaint from a member (who stood against me when I was elected) stating he was not happy that I let down the members who voted for me by resigning after a short time (obvious self promotion).

 

The message was CCed to the CEO and President (I really couldn't care if he also CCed the Queen of England)

 

I had to inform him that the change in representation (which he voted for) meant that we were sacked not resigned and perhaps he was not aware of what he actually voted for - but that's all history now.

It's a frightening thing to realise the comprehension is at that level.

 

 

[Keith Page]

I am quite over this Keith.Still a lot of supporters on this forum, so I suspect Australia wide as well, although I just haven't met one personally.

So I'll just sit back and watch (other then comment on some blatantly wrong statements) - the obvious will occur in time is my belief - just hope it occurs before all the money has gone and too many unchangeable regulations are introduced.

 

To be realistic, I have probably only got another 10years active flying left, so unless something happens shortly I will be able to sit back and talk about what could have / should have happened and laugh at what the current flyers have left.

 

I have even received a complaint from a member (who stood against me when I was elected) stating he was not happy that I let down the members who voted for me by resigning after a short time (obvious self promotion).

 

The message was CCed to the CEO and President (I really couldn't care if he also CCed the Queen of England)

 

I had to inform him that the change in representation (which he voted for) meant that we were sacked not resigned and perhaps he was not aware of what he actually voted for - but that's all history now.

I am gobbed smacked. Saying you let the members down. The poor fellow must not have had even part of his finger on the pulse. They are the sort of people who voted the constitution up. Fancy CCing every man and dog trying to embarrass you, the only one who should be embarrassed is old mate for being so out of touch.

What will a person like that go with board duties?

 

I am just sitting back and having a grin at how it is all unfolding and you are in the box seat to say I told you so.

 

Catch up one day with you fellows. I am stuck with academic stuff at the moment.

 

KP

 

 

[rhysmcc]

All old board members had an opportunity to stand for the new board. Don resigned from the executive prior to the change and who wouldn't after all the personal attacks on this site suggesting he was only looking after his own position. I do hope he and frank both stand again one day as we need active people on the board (even if they don't agree).

 

 

[Keith Page]

I am going political (only for demonstration purposes only) please forgive me, only to show how people are sick of wool being pulled over their eyes.

 

Point one, "Look what happened in America" for those who had their ear to the ground knew that answer well before the people voted.

 

Point two, "Look what is happening in Orange" bit early to know that out come people are wishes are being ignored. We are being served what pollies want us to have.

 

Point three, "Don Ramsay told me it was easy to resubmit a manual/constitution to CASA, no hassles, no costs, just so easy" I can not find that post where I was told that---- that was the answer I was told after I did mention it would be treated as a new document and there will be a cost involved. Look what Aeroshute Kev was told.

 

With those three points considered, clear demonstrates to me people are being sick and tied of accepting what our leaders are giving us not listen to our requests.

 

What is next is a big clean out.

 

KP

 

 

[FlyingVizsla]

Point one - you're backing One Nation at Qld election, Pauline for Premier!

 

Point two - what's happening in Orange?

 

Point three - the constitution doesn't go to CASA, in Qld it goes to the Office of Fair Trading, easy.

 

Point four - just had a big clean out and the members returned the old board with only one new face.

 

 

[Keith Page]

Well Sue,

 

I am only pointing out what happens when one dose not listen.

 

Orange:- Read the news.

 

Cost to send the constitution to Fair trading.

 

Cost to send the revamped manuals to CASA.

 

The board situation will not get a comment from me. The members need to be clearly aware of what is being manoeuvred.

 

KP

 

 

[storchy neil]

my take on this crap and corruption is we were stitched up with the wording of that crap constitution change some did not take the time to examine the wording and what it would mean

 

I was of the opinion that the constitution needs to be better written and should have been BEFORE the vote and I voted no

 

your vote of yes on the wording of what you voted for has brought us to a hand full off, I am write, trust me I know best, you don't understand what I am saying , YES leaders are write I don't understand

 

why in the hell are they pandering to CASA, through out that deed of agreement and go back to running a basic flying organization

 

There are so called certified planes that is factory built that in my opinion should no be flown over towns or built up areas as they do not comply with the installation manual for the power plant

 

when did we get permission not to comply with installation manuals for fitting of any thing to a factory built aircraft

 

but all off those persons building have to jump and comply do it write bloody hell (just go fishing guys) cause you might build a plane that you feel is safe

 

woops just an up date yep I'm a backing Pauline sorry sue reason educated idiot I aint neil

 

 

[facthunter]

We HAD a big clean out. Best managers etc, so what's the point of another? The issue is DIRECTION and purpose. Is the purpose to grow and replace GA? That may be the way some see it. Bigger isn't necessarily better, and it's certainly NOT the answer I see as appropriate for this organisation.

 

Keith... You are a DIRECTOR of a competing organisation. Regardless of how good your points may be, they would hardly be considered to be without bias, be even handed, or perceived to be, when you criticise the RAAus. Nev

 

 

[Guest L/D]

I still have a copy of all the posts from back then and if you read them, it was an email list run by a Board member from Albury, you would certainly agree that it would be an extremely bad move for RAAus to even contemplate setting one up. One of the biggest things were the legal implications for RAAus being a governing body opening themselves up left right and center

you are correct. Aufchat was shut down because the members were being abusive to each other and towards the management of the day and it was unmoderated. A motion was however passed to create a new version of aufchat sometime around 2003/4. It would have been a headache to manage if it did go ahead for all the reasons you mentioned.

As for the direction RA-Aus has gone, it has evolved significantly from the initial idea of the movement. The arguments have gone round in circles on here for years. The days of the Wheeler Scout "AUF" are behind us. The days of trying to get jet powered recreational aircraft in, may possibly lie in front of us. People want the faster heavier aircraft with the freedoms of the rag and tube paddock basher.

 

The idea that homebuilders can build whatever they want unsupervised and take to the sky at their own peril is one that many may recall Middo fought hard to retain as ceo. The idea that RA-Aus took any responsibilty for liability was unheard of as it was not in their interest to do so, nor were they allowed to under their delegation from CASA.

 

I am not up to speed on the powers that the SASAO bodies have, so I would question whether RA-Aus has put themselves in a direct firing line for litigation on the basis that scheduled inspections are mandated by RA-Aus appointed individuals.