Why you should go around

[red750]

Botched landing overshoots into potato field in the Netherlands.

 

The moment a plane crash lands into potato fields

 

 

[Mick]

Looks like it was downwind to me. Note the windsock in the background & after coming to a sudden stop in the spud field the dust blows away in the direction of the landing. If into wind the dust would have blown back towards the camera guy.

 

 

[Nightmare]

No flaps deployed. Coming in too fast perhaps? Too many bounces, as you said Red, he should have gone around.

 

Tony

 

 

[SSCBD]

Biggest problem is the tree wall that is causing turbulence with a downwind landing. Looks way to hot on speed. Misreading the windsock?????.

 

Wont be the last people misread windsocks.

 

 

[onetrack]

Talk about unstable approach! He nearly hits the boundary fence, he's all over the place, it's just sheer luck he managed to get it down at all!

 

Why wouldn't he have firewalled the throttle as soon as he got too low, before he reached the boundary fence? He was all over the place at that point.

 

Ah well, now he's got some real crash experience, anyway!

 

 

[Robbo]

Wholly f..k wholly f..k well thats about all I would say to

 

 

[503]

Wanted down at any cost?

 

 

[Litespeed]

Yep.......................................a complete utter balls up.

 

And the cameraman, appears to like filming too much...........close call for a Darwin award I say. He could have easily have been part of it had the pilot continued on one of his many paths.

 

 

[diesel]

Not enough glider time.

 

 

[SDQDI]

Not enough glider time.

What video did you watch Diesel, I thought he glided for way to long:whistling:

 

 

[SDQDI]

That article does say it was an emergency landing but not sure if that was a typo or what not but maybe just maybe a go around wasn't an option?

 

 

[Robbo]

Well i bet he would have had some brown undies.

 

 

[Nightmare]

Apparently they were practicing emergency landings when at 200ft they applied power and the engine failed. ASN Aircraft incident 27-SEP-2013 Brändli BX-2 Cherry PH-YCM

 

With the tailwind evident, did they turn back after the EFATO?

 

No chance to go around.... it was a terrible situation to be faced, at least no-one got hurt.

 

 

[onetrack]

Ah well, an engine failure puts it in a different class altogether, then. The prop is still spinning right through the video, so it was hard to tell if the engine was producing power, or if the prop was just windmilling.

 

 

[Litespeed]

To be kind to the poor pilots and taking into account a student pilot....................if you are practicing forced landings, it is important to set yourself up properly as if it is a real situation- which it apparently changed to.

 

So I give some points minus for execution and some points plus for surviving.

 

 

[SSCBD]

So I assume a instructor on board - so why did the instructor allow a downwind landing????. If I am wrong I fall on my sword.

 

 

[SDQDI]

So I assume a instructor on board - so why did the instructor allow a downwind landing????. If I am wrong I fall on my sword.

I would say that practicing forced landings should be done in most parts of the circuit and if well established on a crosswind leg a downwind landing on a beautiful runway would be a good option, once power was lost for real at 200 feet it became a certainty and although it could have been executed much better at least they walked away.

My first thought when I first watched the vid was that they were idling too high but on further listening I couldn't be sure. I wonder if the when the engine lost power if it was a complete loss of power or a partial failure, if partial I wonder if the throttle had been closed or if it was indeed above idle hence making matters worse? I guess none of it matters but it is all worth talking over.

 

 

[Geoff13]

I have done a power off downwind landing. It was part of my test for my pilots certificate. Simulated loss of power just after turning crosswind, and landed downwind on the cross runway. 900 metres of runway and I took everyone of them. (Runway 06 at Caboolture has a displaced threshold, so I really had another couple of hundred metres if I needed it) I remember saying to the CFI I never want to do that again, his response, but now you know you can. I am a firm believer of practicing for the worst because then you should be prepared for anything up to the worst. Also do not stop practicing because you have your Licence/Certificate. Aircraft are machines and eventually one of them will let you down. Be prepared for it when it happens.

 

 

[philipnz]

When doing simulated forced landings my instructor always got me to give the engine power halfway through the descent to avoid rapid cooling in the glide effecting the engine on re-acceleration. I wonder if that was a factor in this accident.

 

 

[Geoff13]

Agreed depending on the engine there are certainly methods to ensure that you have noise when you want it during simulated forced landings. It is something to be aware of.

 

 

[Nightmare]

So I assume a instructor on board - so why did the instructor allow a downwind landing????. If I am wrong I fall on my sword.

I can't help but think that the instructor may have turned back after the failure, as evidenced by the downwind landing. We are taught, never turn back after an engine failure at that altitude, but pick a landing area ahead within the forward 70° so you can land into the wind with full flaps. Even with a failure with altitude, landing into the wind is much preferred and has the greatest chance of a good outcome.To me, it looks like he has turned back using no flap, maybe he was thinking that he would have the least altitude loss during the turn, and forgot or run out of time, to deploy flaps. The wind pushed him well past the runway

 

 

[tellerto]

Apparently they were practicing emergency landings when at 200ft they applied power and the engine failed. ASN Aircraft incident 27-SEP-2013 Brändli BX-2 Cherry PH-YCMWith the tailwind evident, did they turn back after the EFATO?

 

No chance to go around.... it was a terrible situation to be faced, at least no-one got hurt.

Not quite, Nightmare. You're referring to an earlier incident for that aircraft.

 

Instead, open your ASN link and click on the "Aircraft Type" and look at the most recent incident, at the bottom of the list. Same PH-YCM plane, but another EFATO and very recent.

 

By the time he turned around he was still at 375M (1200 feet) according to the path they've tracked. (Their trace cuts out at low altitude, but it appears he ended up much further east, in the overshoot of RWY07).

 

And if you look at the video very closely, he's left his landing gear extension quite late too....

 

 

[red750]

Freeze the video and slide back to 0:00. Gear starts to extend a few frames later.Very hot approach.

 

 

 

[Nightmare]

Well, It's a good example of what not to do as a pilot....

 

My apologies, I think this is the correct reference: ASN Aircraft incident 10-SEP-2016 Brändli BX-2 Cherry PH-YCM