Happyflyer Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Two hurt when light aircraft 'flips on landing' in SA Reported to be a Vans RV7. Hopefully injuries not too severe. Two men injured in light plane crash at Port Pirie, SA | Mirage News 1
RobS2107 Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 A distant photo in this report. Two hurt when light aircraft flips on landing in SA
JEM Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Better photo here Two injured in aerodrome plane crash
Happyflyer Posted October 11, 2016 Author Posted October 11, 2016 Paint scheme looks a lot like this photo. http://www.aviationwa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140530_VH-SHS_Vans_RV-6A_David_Eyre-1.jpg 1
facthunter Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Doesn't look too easy to get out of. Nev 1
David Isaac Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 Doesn't look too easy to get out of. Nev That is always my fear in a low wing bubble canopy Nev. Wouldn't want any flames!!! 4
Yenn Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Would it have been any better if it had been a taildragger?
facthunter Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 You get out of the sides on a taildragger and there is substantial structure above you. as well. Nev
red750 Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 You get out of the sides on a taildragger and there is substantial structure above you. as well. Nev I guess this would be difficult to get out of if tipped over. 1
facthunter Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 It's generally accepted that is the case red. The nosewheel where fitted, doesn't give much extra confidence either if you come in too fast and wheelbarrow it. Nev
Guest SrPilot Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 You get out of the sides on a taildragger and there is substantial structure above you. as well. Nev Not always Nev. My RV3A was a taildragger. It was a single-seat version of the airplane pictured in red750's post above. My plane, though, did not even had the roll bar. I fully agree with your earlier observation that they do not look to easy to get out of. In the RV3A, if you flipped over, there were two immediate issues of consequence: First, fire. Forget it. If the plane was on its back, it would be quite difficult for the pilot to get out unless he was over a ditch. Second, there would seem to be a chance that the pilot would be suffocated by being bent over too much to breathe. That is what allegedly happened to an extremely accomplished U.S. aerobatic pilot - Charlie Hillard - at Sun 'n Fun in 1998 when his Sea Fury went nose over. Charlie allegedly flipped over when a brake locked during a crosswind landing. We were flying the GlaStar prototype at Lakeland South when the aerobatics were about to start at Sun 'n Fun so we landed and returned to Lakeland. I was there and saw his flight and approach to landing but did not see the mishap on landing. Here's his story: Charlie Hillard - Wikipedia Later, builders of the RV3 began to install the roll bar on the turtledeck behind the pilot to hold the airplane up a bit on a flip-over (as seen in this photo): https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.romeolima.com%2FRV3works%2FFlying%2FDSCN2541_400.jpg&f=1 But my other taildraggers - C120, Citabria 7KCAB, Hiperbipe - were high winged airplanes with with structure around the pilot and passenger. I felt safer during landings in those planes; I paid close attention when landing the RV3A. It was a very responsive airplane - I thought it was simple. But later they started giving familiarization training for RVs because they were very responsive compared to spam cans. In fact, I think the RV3A was my all time favorite fun-airplane-to-fly. It was a delight; fast, agile, responsive, with great visibility, comfortable, economical.
facthunter Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Yes . I meant to say High Wing. Must have been in a rush.. and didn't pick it up. thanks.. Nev
Bernie Knight Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 Window axe and belt cutter in one tool - handy
Crawly64 Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Two hurt when light aircraft 'flips on landing' in SAReported to be a Vans RV7. Hopefully injuries not too severe. Two men injured in light plane crash at Port Pirie, SA | Mirage News VH-SHS is a Vans RV6A
DonRamsay Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Window axe and belt cutter in one tool - handy If you smash the canopy wouldn't the cockpit just get pushed into the ground? Only way out would be if the plane can be lifted or righted. Sliding canopy gives you a better chance if not locked on landing or can be unlocked while inverting.
Bernie Knight Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 May do Don. The Skybolt has quite a strong structural area behind and the high top wing. Mmmm I don't plan on trying though ..
facthunter Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 No guarantee you won't be injured or dazed, and not capable of great feats of strength. The rear of a plane is relatively light if you could devise something to lift it . Plastic, using a CO2 canister (soda maker) as the energy. Weight less than a fire extinguisher. Nev
Marty_d Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 No guarantee you won't be injured or dazed, and not capable of great feats of strength. The rear of a plane is relatively light if you could devise something to lift it . Plastic, using a CO2 canister (soda maker) as the energy. Weight less than a fire extinguisher. Nev Like the inflatable jacks for race cars? Perhaps there could be an automatically deployed airbag on the upper fuselage just behind canopy if the aircraft is inverted (WITH weight on the turtledeck or fin - don't want it deploying during aerobatics!) I don't know how extensive the problem is for low wing planes, but it may be an idea if people want it. 1
Guest SrPilot Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Like the inflatable jacks for race cars? Perhaps there could be an automatically deployed airbag on the upper fuselage just behind canopy if the aircraft is inverted (WITH weight on the turtledeck or fin - don't want it deploying during aerobatics!) I don't know how extensive the problem is for low wing planes, but it may be an idea if people want it. Hummm. Marty_d, I don't want to be flying that puppy should the airbag accidentally inflate. I flew a Citabria home with a big hole in the side of fuselage. Not fun. I shudder to think what I would have experienced if an airbag had inflated on the upper rear fuselage of my RV3A. I always wore a chute in the RV so I guess I could have departed the bird upon an accidental inflation of the airbag but I doubt that I would have been able to return to base with an inflated airbag on the upper fuselage. It's not just the drag, although that would be an issue. Disruption of airflow over the empennage likely would be the real issue.
Marty_d Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 Safety mechanisms would have to be fairly good, that's a given. Uncommanded deployment of any control surface will lead to major difficulties.
facthunter Posted October 20, 2016 Posted October 20, 2016 THAT goes without saying. You life saving gadget mustn't be a serious hazard. An air bag isn't the answer but some moderate diameter plastic telescoping tubing could easily lift the tail section. Nev 1
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