Jabiru7252 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Jab 7252 I don't see why you would remove your option of a go around if things demanded it. It doesn't have to be a "must land this time" situation. The foam confuses me. I thought those days were over and they wouldn't do it anymore. If it WAS needed they didn't really get the benefit of it and it may have added confusion. I don't know. Nev Given the circumstances, I'd take that chance. Remember, it's not a forced landing so taking ones time would be in order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 As Boxfat stated in post#10, the rudder could possibly be jammed as the nose wheel is linked to the rudder. This may explain the eratic aileron movements in trying to line up the runway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Let me flaunt my ignorance; the foam is a fire-retardant NOT a 'soft landing' cushion (True/false). there apparently was an instructor on board and they overshot the fire retardant strip almost completely. My 2 bob's worth - The foam was sprayed to extinguish sparks expected to be created when the metal of the nose wheel touched the runway surface. Fire retardant foam is very corrosive, so the instructor chose to avoid it to preserve the skin of the aircraft, thereby greatly reducing the cost of repairs. Sometimes I think that some underemployed firies go over the top in their assessment of potential ignition when transport vehicles collide with things. It is not for nothing they are called "Evidence Eradication Teams" by traffic accident investigators. OME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Alf, I like to believe that everyone does the best they know how but some of the results I keep seeing on here, really have me shaking my head.Continuous talk about learning from past mistakes, yet they keep happening!...Where`s the solution? Is there really one? Frank. Hi Franco I work on the art of never rush a landing the plane will when it wants to at the right speed If it's not looking or feeling right push the throttle forward and go around, set up again and fly the numbers quoted by the manufacturer Peter Harlow put up a great post awhile back about how he hates instructors who say just add 10 to your approach speed (NOT saying this was the cause of this one) The Foxbat is one aircraft that certainly doesn't need extra speed The A22LS is quoted from memory at 49 kts when on final which already is giving you 7 kts additional approach speed than what you actually require and I'm guessing the A32 is no different My guess on this and only a guess is late roundout or trying to force it on carrying too much speed because how else do you shove a nose wheel that far back 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxFat Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Full Description of the events now posted in the Foxbatpilot blog by Peter Harlow at Aeroprakt A32 incident at Moorabbin. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 A while ago i rang a schoo; in QLD who had the a vixen on line and ask to get check out in it. they siad that i was better off flying the A22 for a few hours. they siad the vixen can be a handful to fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixen Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Good on Peter Harlow from Foxbat Australia for being so quick to post a preliminary report. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixen Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 A while ago i rang a schoo; in QLD who had the a vixen on line and ask to get check out in it. they siad that i was better off flying the A22 for a few hours. they siad the vixen can be a handful to fly What an odd thing to say (not knowing the whole conversation of course). I mean it surely would depend on whether the pilot was ab initio vs highly experienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxFat Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I did not find the A32 Vixxen difficult at all. The only thing is you have to do is pay more attention to speed control but that is true of any faster aeroplane - and this one has an unusually large range from 27 kts stall to 115 kts standard cruise. With full flap on short final you should be at about 45 kts and herein lies a potential problem - that *feels* very slow, especially in a good headwind, and especially if you have just been hooning around at 115 kts ! There may be an issue here as the temptation to carry a bit more speed can mean a lot of runway goes past before the plane is ready to land - and more time for crosswind, gusts to make life "interesting" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxFat Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Actually, the Foxbat in any kind of wind is happier without flap and I suspect the same is true of the Vixxen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 What an odd thing to say (not knowing the whole conversation of course). I mean it surely would depend on whether the pilot was ab initio vs highly experienced Yes it was. And at the time i rang there A32 was getting fixed because of a bent nose wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 And to add to that Aerprakt have redesigned the nosewheel and they now come with a heavier duty nosewheel same as the Foxbat. As is the replacement one on the one that I am aware of that damaged the nosewheel/leg/firewall. The new nosewheel/Leg assembly does to the best of my knowledge not fit the wheel spat and costs a reasonable amount of top end speed. Bet they don't put that in the glossy brouchure. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDREW_1 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I suppose the pilot was instructed on where to land, but I would have thought there would be less gravel rash on the grass ,( less sparks). Also as a previous post commented, it appears to have been braked ,forcing the nose down at a higher speed then it might have. They will run on their hind legs almost to a stop. But always easy to be an armchair expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Think it's more likely to dig in on grass. It's such a low speed plane in the landing phase, it's all a bit academic. Steel will spark, aluminium doesn't. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Steel will spark, aluminium doesn't. And the nose leg is made of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlurE Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 And the nose leg is made of? Glass..... According to some instructors. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The last bit is a general comment. Sparks come out of exhaust pipes too.. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storchy neil Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 them is rite that said the nose wheel assemble is made off glass treat it as so neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperplace Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 The video provides that in foamation. Nev let's not start foaming at the mouth over this...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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