BASIC CLASS 2 - PRIVATE PILOT MEDICAL ANNOUNCED!

[Kyle Communications]

Who knows a good DAME in Brisbane? who doesnt want my first born or a holiday home as payment

 

 

[Mike Borgelt]

If you have had a class 2 with any condition noted that doesn't give you an unconditional Ausroads medical. Also check the fine print. CASA put a bunch of other things on the DAMPC and I can't see them doing away with them. I think the DAMPC will go away to be replaced by Basic med.

 

 

[coljones]

You are reading it wrong..that word "UNCONDITIONAL" stuffs anyone who has a condition on their commercial licence like me. if you have diabeties no matter what type of had stents or bypasses you drive on condition and MUST have a 12 month full check of everything to make sure you are still fine. I just went through mine again 2 months ago. Everything is fine as usual and as I expected but I do it "on condition"...so I am deemed to be perfectly safe to have a Austroads commercial licence BUT not a Basic medical according to CASA

"Perfectly safe" or the fact that the trucking industry has the government by the short and curlies so that Less freight goes by rail?

 

 

[David Isaac]

You are reading it wrong..that word "UNCONDITIONAL" stuffs anyone who has a condition on their commercial licence like me. if you have diabeties no matter what type of had stents or bypasses you drive on condition and MUST have a 12 month full check of everything to make sure you are still fine. I just went through mine again 2 months ago. Everything is fine as usual and as I expected but I do it "on condition"...so I am deemed to be perfectly safe to have a Austroads commercial license BUT not a Basic medical according to CASA

Actually I get the unconditional bit; I was looking that they appear to have removed the extra CASA conditions from the Austroads medical that was in the RAMPC medical. The problem with the old RAMPC was that one of the conditions was that if you had failed a previous class 2 you couldn't get a RAMPC and had to go the DAME class 2 route anyway, and it looks like that provision has been removed. Did I get that bit right???

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

Well doesnt matter either way..if you fail a class2 then try for a RampC and cant pass that the ONLY ave is a Class 2 way BUT you would be spending 10K to try to prove that you "can" be safe and come under a class2 . You just have to be prepared to jump though all of those very costly hoops to prove that you are medically ok to fly

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

The old extra conditions still proclude you now. The whole idea of the Austroads is that YOU can drive on condition as well as no condition. You just have to prove that you are currently medically fit to drive any commercial vehicle no matter how big and heavy it is

 

 

[David Isaac]

Well doesnt matter either way..if you fail a class2 then try for a RampC and cant pass that the ONLY ave is a Class 2 way BUT you would be spending 10K to try to prove that you "can" be safe and come under a class2 . You just have to be prepared to jump though all of those very costly hoops to prove that you are medically ok to fly

Kyle, it does matter in cases where the reason for the failure of the class 2 was temporary. e.g. in my case 4 migraines. BUT the problem was that once you lose a class 2, however temporary, you automatically fail the RAMPC, because one of the pre-conditions was that that you had never been refused a class 2 medical. In my case, I had to go back to a class 2 DAME, it was my only option. It looks like that provision is no longer there because they have now said "exactly the same as the commercial driver standard (Austroads)".

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

No I dont think so. The basic class 2 can be done by your GP..thats the difference. Getting a normal class 2 through a DAME would still be there I think. The DAME road gives more options as they are shall we say "a cut above" your local GP. The difference of course is you will get sent for a raft of expensive medical tests. .....its all getting thrown up into the air.....think there maybe a lot more not declaring anything and just flying where they wont be noticed

 

 

[mAgNeToDrOp]

Gotta love the passenger brief, . ( Link )

 

Brief each passenger ( or legal Guardian ) as follows:

 

"(a) the person does not hold a standard medical certificate required for private pilots;

 

 

 

(b) the person holds a CASA-issued certification that the person meets a lower medical standard, and that permits use of the person’s private pilot licence subject to conditions;

 

 

 

© the lower medical standard is based on the medical standards applicable to commercial drivers’ licences;

 

 

 

(d) the person is carrying the person’s medical certificate, and a statement of the applicable conditions, for inspection by a passenger or a guardian of a passenger."

 

 

[SSCBD]

CASA - Please speak English!

 

How badly can CASA word this crap.

 

(d) the person is carrying the person’s medical certificate, and a statement of the applicable conditions, for inspection by a passenger or a guardian of a passenger.

 

Note* I usually tell any of my friends I take flying you are going to die if I have a heart attack anyway.

 

Also with my CASA approved Med two a GP cannot tell me that I wont have a heart attack the next day anyway. Its all snake oil.

 

 

[David Isaac]

Gotta love the passenger brief, . ( Link )Brief each passenger ( or legal Guardian ) as follows:

 

"(a) the person does not hold a standard medical certificate required for private pilots;

 

 

 

(b) the person holds a CASA-issued certification that the person meets a lower medical standard, and that permits use of the person’s private pilot licence subject to conditions;

 

 

 

© the lower medical standard is based on the medical standards applicable to commercial drivers’ licences;

 

 

 

(d) the person is carrying the person’s medical certificate, and a statement of the applicable conditions, for inspection by a passenger or a guardian of a passenger."

Yep ... can you believe some of the BS that CASA come up with because they think it covers their ass. The only way they would be happy with risk mitigation is to ban flying altogether.

 

 

[David Isaac]

No I dont think so. The basic class 2 can be done by your GP..thats the difference. Getting a normal class 2 through a DAME would still be there I think. The DAME road gives more options as they are shall we say "a cut above" your local GP. The difference of course is you will get sent for a raft of expensive medical tests. .....its all getting thrown up into the air.....think there maybe a lot more not declaring anything and just flying where they wont be noticed

You think ... that is the problem with this routine, it encourages illegal operations. You can bet it is happening where no one would notice. Hardly likely to be pulled over in cloud 9 by the air patrol and asked to show your license.

 

 

[Mike Borgelt]

How about giving the passenger a little card that say "If you don't know how to land this thing you are likely to die. Fly at own risk."

 

One DAME I went to said after passing me: "Now don't think you won't drop dead going out through reception."

 

 

[Mike Borgelt]

I note this thing expires in 2021. This useless oxygen thieves don;t even have the wit to write regs that are indefinite until replaced by one that supercedes it. Talk about job creation as they re-issue it.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Gotta love the passenger brief, . ( Link )Brief each passenger ( or legal Guardian ) as follows:

 

"(a) the person does not hold a standard medical certificate required for private pilots;

 

 

 

(b) the person holds a CASA-issued certification that the person meets a lower medical standard, and that permits use of the person’s private pilot licence subject to conditions;

 

 

 

© the lower medical standard is based on the medical standards applicable to commercial drivers’ licences;

 

 

 

(d) the person is carrying the person’s medical certificate, and a statement of the applicable conditions, for inspection by a passenger or a guardian of a passenger."

Of all the silly things I have seen from CASA, this one takes the cake.

 

 

[mAgNeToDrOp]

Makes me think they want to see what happens with the self declared (raaus) medical and 760kgs , then 1500 kgs. Any issues and their casa butts are covered, that’s what it’s all about in the end... no fingers pointing at moi..

 

 

[turboplanner]

Typical.....CASA are full of sh*t as usual then..as you say no change. I still maintain if I can drive a fully laden Bdouble at 64000 KG down the gateway you should be able to fly a aircraft of 8618 KG OCTA. A commercial drivers licence is a commercial drivers licence. If you pass it then you pass it

I went looking for the Multi Combination medical criteria after hearing it was draconian back in 2016. I found generic statements providing very little detail, which made me nervous, so I went digging a little deeper.

The 2008 National Accreditation standards were already strict, but on October 1, 2016 the National Transport Commission and Austroads introduced a new standard, and the Commercial standards now apply to MR, HR (Medium and Heavy Rigid trucks), Heavy Combination, Multi Combination, Hire or Reward (buses, taxis).

 

This requires that a driver over 50 years of age must undergo a health assessment every year (every 3 years if under 50)

 

As we know the prescriptive/proscriptive era has virtually ended. (The era where people would say, "well it's up to them to find out".)

 

Now, for insurance and public liability protection, it's up to you to ensure you meet any benchmarks such as this one.

 

You may well have an MR, HC or MC licence, but the legal liability is on you to BE AT THE MEDICAL STANDARD REQUIRED.

 

Note that isn't that you passed a medical assessment or were able to produce a medical assessment result.

 

If you "forgot" to bring in your diabetes/epilepsy etc medications to the medical assessment, that's a duty of care failure. If you "forgot" to tell the doctor, or cleverly visited a new doctor and gave him a glowing report, leaving out the dizzy spells and nightly bottles of red, that's a duty of care failure. If you managed to convince your doctor to turn a blind eye to any illnesses or shortcomings, that's a duty of care failure. You won't find inspectors coming around to check on you or the doctor, but when the accident occurs due to your seizure etc. the insurance/public liability hammer drops on YOU.

 

Forms - Austroads

 

In terms of medical standards for flying, it wouldn't surprise me to see things drifting the same way, but in RA, you wouldn't want to trade the private driver licence standard for the Commercial licence standard.

 

 

[Kiter]

I thought I’d wake this topic up with a report on my experience getting a Basic Class 2 medical today.

 

Given I fly a Brumby VFR by day there was no need for my Class 2, so I completed the application for a Basic Class 2 online, printed that out and took it to my GP today who completed it fairly quickly (and for way less cost that a DAME charges).

 

With no medical issues, I went back online and submitted the result (CASA don’t need any paperwork), paid $10 and received the certificate instantly.

 

I was happy with the process.

 

 

[Thruster88]

I thought I’d wake this topic up with a report on my experience getting a Basic Class 2 medical today.

 

Given I fly a Brumby VFR by day there was no need for my Class 2, so I completed the application for a Basic Class 2 online, printed that out and took it to my GP today who completed it fairly quickly (and for way less cost that a DAME charges).

 

With no medical issues, I went back online and submitted the result (CASA don’t need any paperwork), paid $10 and received the certificate instantly.

 

I was happy with the process.

 

Given that you fly a Brumby why would you need a basic class 2 ?

 

 

[Kiter]

The Brumby is VH registered.

 

 

[Thruster88]

The Brumby is VH registered.

 

I figured that when asking the question, long live the double standards.?  

 

 

[Jim McDowall]

In Oz we continue to lag the rest of the democratic world. UK, US and Canada both have enlightened medical requirements based on a much larger sample of experiences. In Canada for example it is a one page declaration signed by the applicant and countersigned by the MD. With this in hand, you can fly aircraft upto 4 seats, albiet with only one passenger. Waiting for commonsense to arrive in Canberra is like waiting for rain in western NSW, a potentially fruitless exercise.