Wind turbines

[Flying Binghi]

Carn't find a direct link to the diesel powered solar panel scam though here's similar. From 2012...

 

"...In an email seen by Reuters and sent to a CDB official in June 2010, he described Italy as a “solar bubble” and said Chinese investors were not best placed to invest there.

 

“We got suspicious because it did mention a lot of important corporate, banking, legal names associated to the project, a tactic usually adopted by fraudsters in my experience"...” Italian road to China's Suntech fraud was paved with warnings

 

I love that we got suspicious bit. If it weren't for them damned sceptics the Chinese would have been well fleeced and Italy would be powered 24 hours a day by solar power..

 

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[coljones]

Don't you mean...But that's how the government incentives Socialism works, your tax money paid for my solar panels and my insulation and now I get free electricity stuff.That seems to be the crux of the matter, it's got nothing to do with environmental responsibility, just getting someone to give you a free ride.

As evidenced by some recent enquiries, that is precisely how Capitalism works.

[Bernie]

This wind turbine is on a farm a cuppla miles from where I am in Tassia at the moment .

 

Bernie .

 

 

 

[M61A1]

As evidenced by some recent enquiries, that is precisely how Capitalism works.

Except that FT believes that the govt should handout solar to everyone and taxing the "wealthy" should pay for it.Or is FT a capitalist in socialist's clothing?

 

 

[fly_tornado]

its funny, to me, that a champion of capitalism like yourself spent nearly every day of his adult life working on state assets instead of acquiring capital.

 

 

[facthunter]

Col I'm with you. There's no quick profit in worrying about the environment so Capitalism is not going to fix anything in that area. They sell off public assets (which taxes have paid for) to their mates to develop high rise flats etc. The local Swimming Pool or Parkland is gone forever. Look what's happened to Aerodromes if you want an example close to your hearts.

 

Privatised CBA and demutualised AMP lead the pack in corruption and robbing their customers. Morrison (Not a lover of left leaning people) says ALL boardrooms should take note and act to behave them selves. You have not been able to trust THESE people with YOUR money at all. The elderly investors retirement is dismal now since they cannot restart their working lives again. Tell them the MARKET will fix everything. That concept is now dead. PostWW2 the gap between the well off and the poor has widened massively. The Middle class in the USA has been decimated. The top couple of percent have it all . Their power makes them able to do it. It's NOT ability in the sense of skills It's the ability (power and Influence) to organise things to suit themselves. Nev

 

 

[M61A1]

You might ask yourself what would have happened under socialism. Given the extreme failure of every example that ever was, it's not likely to be better.

 

instead of acquiring capital.

Who says I haven't?

[Flying Binghi]

Hinkley Point: the ‘dreadful deal’ behind the world’s most expensive power plantA nice reality check for those dinosaurs who insist on spinning the myth of safe cheap nuclear power. Go on, just read it and weep.

Been watching the news lately? Russia has a ship mounted nuclear power station near ready to go. Aparently it can power the equivilant of 100,000 homes constantly day and night, all year round. And it is base load power. Brilliant idea.

Imagine, Sydney is running low on reliable power and all it needs do is get a floating nuclear power station to turn up and plug in for insta power..

 

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[Flying Binghi]

Now that all the India nonsense has been de-bunked and the India coal expansion is back on track, back to the thread subject...

 

As they are designed to absorb energy from the wind to create electricckery and not create thrust, I don't see it being an issue.

And yet wind tower turbulence is a big issue in the wind parks. It is a well documented fact and part of the reason for not having straight lines of towers in the closer spaced wind parks. See aerial pictures of the older offshore wind parks and they are all straight lines where the more modern parks tend to be curved lines.

One identified issue is that when two wind towers are directly aligned in the wind stream that a third wind tower downwind in the same airstream receives a boosted turbulence from the two up stream turbines. Apart from the power loss turbulence also damages the turbines.

 

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[Flying Binghi]

My base is surrounded by wind turbines on the Eastern side of Lake George. Prevailing wind is N/W so mostly the downstream turbulence is to the East. When Easterlies blow then the effects can be felt as a slow modulus rise and fall with some rolling effects. This turbulence endures for km downwind but is no more than a nuisance to flying...

What aircraft do you fly at low level around these wind turbines ?

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[facthunter]

Russia have the world's worst nuclear and environmental performance bar none. Where would you just plug such a thing IN. From a ship which stops where the water stops. If it's required somewhere else it goes there relatively slowly. That's how ships work. IF you had such a thing in a capitalist society they could (and would) hold you to ransom as has been done in South Australia where the power was available but not supplied. Price gouging was the go.

 

Portable,( sort of) and BASE LOAD. Really.!! If you turn it on and off it's not base load. How is it cooled. By sea water? How safe is that? nuclear MAY have a future but not the type we have been using. The "Investors" want the grid. It's a monopoly. Best way to make lots of money They won't let it go without a fight..Nev

 

 

[facthunter]

The loads and concerns about interference from other wind generators would be insignificant compared to the wind gust loads and storms they are designed to withstand. No doubt co location would have to be looked at . Anything that could cause a resonant vibration will have to be catered for in the design life considerations but I'm not convinced it would be a big problem.

 

. I doubt if Binghi will admit that wind turbines have any good features to them at all.. I would imagine that when the winds are blowing the turbulence created will dissipate as it does with heavy slow aircraft. The normal windshear in the lower layers tends to dissipate it the same way. Wake turbulence persists longer on still days when there's no mixing to break it up or move it. Nev

 

 

[coljones]

Except that FT believes that the govt should handout solar to everyone and taxing the "wealthy" should pay for it.Or is FT a capitalist in socialist's clothing?

Ah, mea.culpa (as Gough would say). Capitalism is the Govt. giving money or forgiving tax only to the big end of town.

[Marty_d]

Why is capitalism / socialism a zero sum game? It's not binary. Combine the two and you'd have a fairer system than either on their own.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

the internet really is the embodiment of socialism and anyone that uses it a socialist. disagree all you like but you know its true

 

The japanese are making great strides with wind, you can't build coal fired power stations in the ocean.

 

Macquarie signs up to co-develop Japanese floating wind farm

 

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Another 1250 wind turbines for the Pilbara, plenty of money going into electricity generation just not coal

 

$20b Pilbara solar, wind farm backers eye local market | The West Australian

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

Another 1250 wind turbines for the Pilbara, plenty of money going into electricity generation just not coal$20b Pilbara solar, wind farm backers eye local market | The West Australian

Now there's where solar/wind shows some common sense - making hydrogen. Of interest is (modern) electric car early adapter Toyota's continuing hydrogen car developments.

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[Old Koreelah]

You might ask yourself what would have happened under socialism. Given the extreme failure of every example that ever was, it's not likely to be better.Who says I haven't?

Depends what you call Socialism. Plenty of quite successful European economies are socialist according to American standards; and they have better quality of life and more equitable income distribution than good old capitalist USA.

[spacesailor]

And a very small socialist island.(Cuba) has stood up to Mighty America, something this capitalist country couldn't do ever. They say jump & our pollies say how high.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[facthunter]

M61A1 General motors was "owned "by the GOVERNMENT of the USA during the GFC and the Banks here were operating under a guarantee by the government to prevent a rush on them. Capitalism when it suits them and government handout "Socialism" when the $#!t hits the fan. They used to say "What's good for GM is good for AMERICA" . If they really "believed" they would have gone to the wall as all badly run businesses do when the sums don't add up. America has to keep on fighting wars To make capitalism (Their Kind) work. and they bully countries that vote a left government in DEMOCRATICALLY. Democracy is in name only .OK as long as the one US wants gets in. If you want an example, the NZ government under David Lange that had a no nukes policy. Probably the Whitlam Gov't here... Nev

 

 

[facthunter]

WE do have a mix as even USA does but to varying degrees.. The voters here decide on how much of each more or less depending on what's offering by the parties and if they are honest about it in their pre election statements and don't just get in and create chaos.. The extreme right in the USA only want the Army to be funded by taxes. I have difficulty in working through that idea. I thought bearing arms was there to fight the government when they enslave the ordinary man. I guess you pay for everything else or don't use it, if it's privately owned. If you have no money, you starve, as you deserve to if you are a loser. IF you need medical services, and you can't afford them, you die I guess.. Trump is dismantling and defunding Obama Care. the EPA etc. Sounds fair enough doesn't it? Nev

 

 

[rickodesu]

Just a shame that they are such an eyesore.

I suppose you think open cut coal mining isn't an eyesore

[facthunter]

Houses collapsing due subsidence isn't a pretty sight either. The Newcastle earthquake was substantially aggravated by the underground excavations of the extensive Coal Seams under the city. Nev

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like the appearance of most mines, having worked in the industry for 50 years. But I detest what roads and urban development do to our natural environment.

 

 

[spacesailor]

F H

 

"what's offering by the parties and if they are honest about it", Honestly Those pollies have shown us how "honest" they are.

 

". I thought bearing arms was there to fight the government when they enslave the ordinary man". England 1400's we got a "Magna-carta" out of that one, It won't be there for a "Democracy".

 

"guess you pay for everything else or don't use it," If you own a block of land in NSW "You Will Pay" Water,& Sewage. even if not connected. ( And pay extra for "Excess water usage on the adjoining property).

 

Great law's

 

spacesailor