Wind turbines

[fly_tornado]

So what happened, did you lose your job?

 

 

[spacesailor]

Question !.

 

If enough Coal user's decline, The price of coal will drop to a level were it will be cheaper to keep using it for a longer period .

 

The price of renewable s Will go up, as stock's decline.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

So what happened, did you lose your job?

So, is this a personal attack. What has my work status to do with anything ?

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[Flying Binghi]

In much the same way of the fly_tornado method of thread bombardment...

 

"...a 40 year career meteorologist who alleges that skeptics are silenced through intimidation and threats at the National Weather Service (NWS). He also says data is “altered for political purposes”..."

 

Veteran Meteorologist talks of culture of intimidation — skeptics hide at National Weather Service, NOAA « JoNova

 

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[fly_tornado]

So, is this a personal attack. What has my work status to do with anything ?.

you seem unstable I was merely enquiring whether or not you might have suffered from some short term emotional stress because your behaviour seems to indicate your lack of balance.

 

 

[facthunter]

Spacey, A coal fired Power station is a 50 year life item. One couldn't speculate that much with so much Capital over that period. Generally because the best and most accessible is mined first. Coal will get more expensive to extract as time progresses, especially if they get made responsible for the full damage it causes. Nev

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

Heh, seems us heritics are always called names...

 

you seem unstable I was merely enquiring whether or not you might have suffered from some short term emotional stress because your behaviour seems to indicate your lack of balance.

"Egyptian TV host kicks atheist out of studio, recommending psychiatric treatment..."

 

 

 

[fly_tornado]

that new solar farm inland from townsville has 413,000 solar panels, there will never be a coal fired power plant in northern QLD

 

Heh, seems us heritics are always called names...

Are you a prophet? Do you have special insights? Did these insights occur a few months before you lost your job?

 

 

[facthunter]

Yes I can imagine in EGYPT not believing in GOD would make you be considered insane. What has that got to do with reality though? Nev

 

 

[spacesailor]

When It (coal powered electricity) ends

 

I will no longer see those super-long (diesel powered) Coal-trains passing the rail stations every day, lots of driver's will be unemployed, I guess.

 

and were will they Dump the obsolete trains.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

When It (coal powered electricity) endsI will no longer see those super-long (diesel powered) Coal-trains passing the rail stations every day, lots of driver's will be unemployed, I guess.and were will they Dump the obsolete trains.

 

spacesailor

I have fond memories of the late night iron ore trains coming into Darwin wharf. If I were having one of those sweltering tropics sleepless nights the low rumble of the diesel electrics sent me straight off to sleep...

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[jetjr]

Solar and wind are great. Taxpayers funding them is not. They are expanding here because of govt subsidies.

 

Despite massive sums of cash given out they still produce a tiny amount of energy and only for small timeframes.

 

In the mean time we will need big 24 hr producers of power. Some coal powered generators are out of time and were there replacements coming on line like gas or hydro, there wouldn't be much debate.

 

Its a hot topic because we face the real possibility of running out and being held to ransom by unregulated producers, as so much weight has been placed on wind and solar to fill the gap completely and it simply cannot.

 

Increased cost due to subsidies or inefficiency of storage will flow directly to consumers not in power costs but via increased cost of products they consume.

 

What households do with PV has little impact on the problem other than they are the loudest voice.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

we aren't running of power, if anything we have an excess of power generation capability which is driving out high cost producers, like those that rely on coal. Power producers are also moving to gas because its cheap to ship gas with a pipeline, versus most of the coal plants were built next to coal mines that are now exhausted, you need to build a railway to keep an older coal fired plant going. no one wants to build a railway with only has one customer, who's being squeezed out of business

 

 

[biggles]

Not too sure about that FT . All the operatong coal fired power plants in Victoria, are located adjacent to mines which are far from exhausted ..... Bob

[Old Koreelah]

I have fond memories of the late night iron ore trains coming into Darwin wharf. If I were having one of those sweltering tropics sleepless nights the low rumble of the diesel electrics sent me straight off to sleep...

Okey FB, I'll bite. Iron ore? Trains in Darwin? You sure you've got the right city, state...?

[jetjr]

Not aure where you see hogh cost suppliers being pushed out or how you reconcile massive price increases despite taxpayer payouts

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Not too sure about that FT . All the operatong coal fired power plants in Victoria, are located adjacent to mines which are far from exhausted ..... Bob

Brown coal is like burning dirt, your power plant is continuously running at half speed to clean all the muck out of your furnaces and chimney

 

Not aure where you see hogh cost suppliers being pushed out or how you reconcile massive price increases despite taxpayer payouts

Privatisation, once the network is in private hands the cost of electricity is no longer set by the state, its set by market forces, private owners set the price at what they think the market can bare, push the price up until people start using less, which is what is happening now.

 

 

[facthunter]

Brown coal is really only good Peat, and contains a large amount of water. There IS plenty of it BUT it's not a good fuel and from the pollution point of view it's one of the worst. It would be a good soil additive to improve agricultural outcomes. Our soil has notoriously low carbon readings. When Melbourne used brickette heaters they had dreadful fogs closing the airports frequently.( RPT Aircraft landed at Mangalore and bussed the passengers to Melbourne, often.) and probably really bad for anyone breathing the stuff.. What was considered a boost for Victoria is not what we thought it was. This making hydrogen using it plan is an absurd proposition..Nev

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

Okey FB, I'll bite. Iron ore? Trains in Darwin? You sure you've got the right city, state...?

Nothing to bite on. Just reminiscing...

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

Let's try a post in this different format...

 

Darwin iron ore.

 

https://player.vimeo.com/video/77961159?app_id=122963

 

 

[spacesailor]

Darwin A Long time ago.

 

It would be good if we could fly our planes under that era ruled.

 

spacesailor

 

 

[Jabiru7252]

Spacesailor - I'm having trouble working out what your last post means. (And I've only had two ports so far!)

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

15 hours ago, Flying Binghi said:

Let's try a post in this different format...

 

Darwin iron ore.

 

https://player.vimeo.com/video/77961159?app_id=122963

[fly_tornado]

Nation's biggest wind farm could be built between Geelong and Ballarat

 

By Adam Carey

 

4 May 2018 — 5:00pm

 

 

The biggest wind farm in the southern hemisphere will be built about 130 kilometres west of Melbourne, powering an estimated half a million homes a year by 2025, if the Andrews government gives the project the green light.

 

The proposed wind farm would sprawl across 167 square kilometres of farmland near the small town of Rokewood in south-west Victoria, about 40 kilometres south of Ballarat.

 

It would have 228 wind turbines, each 230 metres tall at their highest point. By way of comparison, just four skyscrapers in Melbourne are taller.

 

The largest operating wind farm in Victoria, at Macarthur, has 140 turbines that are up to 140 metres high.

 

According to planning documents published on Friday, the wind farm would produce up to 3500 gigawatt-hours of energy a year – equal to the average annual energy consumption of at least 450,000 homes.

 

The local Coalition MP attacked the project as a wasteful folly that would do little to secure Victoria's energy supply.

 

Its proponents, the German-backed, Gisborne-based company West Wind Energy, argue the project will help to reduce electricity prices and help Victoria and Australia meet their greenhouse gas reduction targets.

 

Macarthur wind farm in western Victoria. The Andrews government has set a target of zero net emissions by 2050.

 

It will cost an estimated $1.7 billion to build.

 

Dubbed the Golden Plains Wind Farm, it will have an energy generation capacity of between 800 and 1000 megawatts, slightly more than half the capacity of the shuttered Hazelwood coal-fired power plant.

 

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The project has been in development since 2006, but still requires planning approval from the Andrews government. A planning panel will consider the proposal at a hearing due to begin on July 30.

 

West Wind Energy hopes to begin construction next year.

 

The wind farm would begin to operate by 2021 and be in full flight by 2025, the planning documents show. It would be decommissioned and pulled down some time after 2050.

 

According to West Wind Energy, the project will be a major contributor of renewable energy in Victoria, helping the state to achieve its 40 per cent renewable energy target by 2025 and its zero net emissions target by 2050.

 

“The project will help Australia meet its international commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 26-28 per cent on 2005 levels, while also protecting the land for continued agricultural use,” the company said.

 

The 39 landowners on whose properties the turbines will be built will be given lease payments, the documents say, without stating how much.

 

Local state Liberal MP Richard Riordan said the project was an ideologically driven folly that would scar the landscape and create intermittent energy supply.

 

“If this ideological government gets its way it’ll cover my entire electorate in Rialto-sized concrete pylons that would work 20 to 30 per cent of the time,” Mr Riordan said.

 

He said his rural electorate of Polwarth already had among the highest concentration of wind turbines in Australia, but residents had been given minimal opportunity to have their say.

 

“If these turbines are so harmless and so pretty to look at, why not put them up in Port Phillip Bay along the Esplanade, or in open spaces in Fitzroy and Collingwood,” Mr Riordan said.

 

Planning Minister Richard Wynne ruled last year that an environment effects statement was required, because of the project's potential impact on native plants and animals.

 

Mr Wynne said Victoria's renewable energy targets were ambitious but achievable.

 

"We are in the business of supporting appropriate clean energy projects because they create jobs for regional and rural Victorians," Mr Wynne said.

 

"Not only do these projects create hundreds of construction jobs, they provide big boosts for other businesses all over the region."

 

 

[jetjr]

Whats your point?

 

companies will flock to any significant govt handout- who would have thought that possible......

 

a key point is that these will help meet a departmental promise to other countries, the key goal and justification for screwing Australian business

 

Next the same govt complains about large manufacturing leaving Australia

 

Couple of hundred km 2 where small aircraft will need to avoid and cant take off and land maybe