Wind turbines

[fly_tornado]

the quality of the land doesn't diminish the poisoning of the land, that's a criminal conviction. 

 

You seem to be advocating poisoning of the country as being a good thing, is that your intention?

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

 ... Binghi. You will see many wind generators not turning on days where they could. When there's no demand they are not used. I guess Coal gets priority .Nev

If you have a look-see at the BOM wind chart linked at the Anero website you will see the reason for the lack of wind energy - There's next to no wind... http://anero.id/energy/wind-energy

 

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[fly_tornado]

Bingi, you are very observant. 

 

 

[M61A1]

the quality of the land doesn't diminish the poisoning of the land, that's a criminal conviction. You seem to be advocating poisoning of the country as being a good thing, is that your intention?

You were the one trying to tell us that it was valuable agricultural land....which it isnt. AND the average farmer  has dosed the whole place with chemicals.

The term "poisoned" seem to be very subjective, depending on the perceived depth of the pockets of those involved.

 

 

[coljones]

Oh! So yer think AEMO is a crackpot source ? https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

Or Anero a crackpot source?  http://anero.id/energy/wind-energy

 

Those are the sources for the STT article.

 

...and look at Anero. Most wind generators in Oz ain't doing anything at the moment... 

 

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The maps only show sources on line, not power available.  Coal fired stations are very hard to put on and take off line and their pricing model might be that it is 

more economical to give the power away than to depower the station.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

You were the one trying to tell us that it was valuable agricultural land....which it isnt. AND the average farmer  has dosed the whole place with chemicals.The term "poisoned" seem to be very subjective, depending on the perceived depth of the pockets of those involved.

but poisoning is OK if the land is poor?

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

The maps only show sources on line, not power available.  Coal fired stations are very hard to put on and take off line and their pricing model might be that it is more economical to give the power away than to depower the station.

Does that system sound sensible to you ?

 

At any rate, today's lack of wind power is entirely wind related. Have a look-see at the wind charts on the Anero site and you will see they have wind direction and are coloured for wind speed. I note things are just starting to pick up for them...  http://anero.id/energy/wind-energy

 

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[fly_tornado]

Two more solar farms have joined the grid in New South Wales and Queensland, joining the rush of connections of new solar farms across the country.

 

 

These two graphs above and below – courtesy of Paul McArdle at WattClarity – show that both the 41MW Manildra solar farm in NSW and the 15MW Longreach solar farm in Queensland have begun exporting to the grid, albeit in small quantities.

 

This is no doubt part of the commissioning phase for both projects, which join new connections in Griffith and Parkes in NSW, in Barcaldine and at Sun Metals in Queensland, in Peterborough in South Australia, and Ganawarra in Victoria.

 

 

They are among a group of solar projects that began construction last year as the renewable energy target finally started to take hold, with some 2GW of solar capacity expected to be completed and connected this year.

 

Both Manildra and Longreach were among the winning project in the large scale solar round funded by the Australian Renewable Energy Agency.

 

 

The Longreach project, located near the iconic town that is regarded as the birthplace of Qantas, was proposed by Canadian Solar and received a $1.3 million grant, while Infigen Energy’s Manildra project was allocated $10.9 million.

 

Both projects are using single axis tracking technology. The key data set for the Manildra solar farm, located between Orange and Parkes in central west NSW, and which is using First Solar thin film panels, is shown to the right.

 

The completion of the two solar farms means that nearly half of the 12 solar farms funded by ARENA are now complete, with the rest well under construction.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

 

Australia has installed more than 100MW of rooftop solar for the seventh consecutive month as households and businesses accelerate their uptake of the technology to stave off the soaring cost of grid electricity.

 

New data from Green Energy Markets shows 109MW was installed in April, down from March but this was expected given the Easter and Anzac Day holidays.

 

“This is the seventh month in a row that capacity has exceeded 100MW. While April was down on the prior month (March was an all-time record for capacity) it is up 63% on April last year,” says GEM analyst Tristan Edis.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

solar is going in everywhere

 

ASX-listed retail asset manager Vicinity Centres has announced the roll-out of more than 11MW of commercial solar in a $28 million project that will incorporate five shopping centres across two states.

 

Vicinity said on Tuesday that the $28 million project would install a total of 11.2MW of solar on the rooftops and as car park shading at shopping centres in Western Australia and South Australia – enough to generate 17.4GWh of energy a year.

 

The first stage of the massive commercial solar project, set to begin next month, will see panels installed at Castle Plaza, Elizabeth City Centre and Kurralta Park in SA and Ellenbrook Central and Currambine Central in WA.

 

And according to Vicinity, the project will gather a few new records for the Australian commercial solar and storage industry.

 

The 5.8MW array at Elizabeth City Centre is claiming to be Australia’s largest single solar installation, while the Castle Plaza system (2.2MW) will add 500kWh of battery storage – the “largest battery installation” at a shopping centre nationally.

 

The Kurralta Park (SA) and Currambine Central systems will both be 100kW, while the Ellenbrook Central system will be 2.9MW.

 

As noted, much of the solar will be installed as car park shading across four of the sites, with more than 2400 covered bays in all.

 

And Vicinity says it will also trial zones of double-sided solar panels, cloud tracking technology and fast-charging stations for electric vehicles.

 

“This project will create shared value for our customers, retailers and investors, as well as the communities where we live and operate,” said Vicinity CEO Grant Kelley.

 

According to Adelaide Now, Melbourne-based Beon Energy Solutions has been contracted to install the first phase of solar installs for Vicinity.

 

A second phase across another round of Vicinity shopping centres is expected to be completed by 2020.

 

The move to solar by Vicinity adds to a nation-wide commercial solar boom that some analysts are predicting could add a power station worth of new PV capacity this year alone.

 

Retail outlets have been a major part of the commercial solar market already, however, with companies like Stockland  making steady progress on plans to install a total of 12.3MW of rooftop solar across its portfolio

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

Back with wind.

 

Meanwhile, over in Germany...

 

"...Recently German SAT1 television broadcast a documentary on the state of the European and German increasingly green power grid: “How secure are our power grids?” Due to the volatile and unpredictable supply of wind and solar energy, the grid has become far more unstable, the documentary warns. The news is not good..."

 

http://notrickszone.com/2017/11/11/german-media-report-power-grids-in-distress-highly-unstable-due-to-wind-and-sun-power/#sthash.EKGCIWgt.dpbs

 

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[fly_tornado]

you know a website with the title "no trick zone" is run by quacks right? you know weather forecasting is pretty good these days especially in the 2-3 hour range power grids need to plan supply

 

 

[pmccarthy]

I took this photo about 1972. It shows natural methane leakage from a water bore. Thousands of water bores do this in central Australia. The hydrocarbons are quite close to the surface. The concerns about fracking have largely been about methane in water (you can light it!) but it is a natural occurrence.

 

Fracking has been used in Australia for about 60 years in oil and gas wells without harm. It is done at great depth. There is justifiable (I think) concern about coal seam gas (CSG) recovery, which can cause the gases to move around within the rock formation where there are underlying coal beds. But we should not confuse this with the fracking done in the USA to recover gas from shales which would otherwise not release any. That has been the main concern for the public and even there, the environmental damage has been greatly over stated.

 

 

 

[jetjr]

Interested in where the "poisoning" has taken place

 

I don't know of any

 

 

[fly_tornado]

You are comparing natural gas that leaks out via natural buoyancy from rotting vegetable matter a few metres under ground compared to blasting thousands of litres down as far as 4 kms then the corrosive chemicals that they use to turn to turn coal into gas is pumped into the well.

 

Interested in where the "poisoning" has taken placeI don't know of any

there are plenty documented cases in the US of CSG workers falling sick after inhaling the fracking powder

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

I see the wind generators are still only operating at about 8% capacity at this time.... and the suns going down.... Thank the lord for coal as that's what will be cooking my dinner tonight...

 

http://anero.id/energy/wind-energy

 

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[Flying Binghi]

...there are plenty documented cases in the US of CSG workers falling sick after inhaling the fracking powder

"fracking powder"....... ?

 

Stay away from the perfume section next yer go to the Myer shop. Also avoid dish washing liquid or yer might fall sick..

 

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[fly_tornado]

start here http://www.lockthegate.org.au/about_us

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

start here http://www.lockthegate.org.au/about_us

Extract the relevant quote for us so we don't have to wade through pages of nonsense. 

 

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[Flying Binghi]

...And back with the thread subject. In the UK -

 

"...why there has been no studies into the effect turbulence from wind farms has on planes when the organisation itself said in 2012 there was an “urgent need” for an assessment.

 

CAA has issued guidance to aerodrome operators saying a “large number of turbines in an area” will have a cumulative effect that is “of far more significant concerns"..."

 

https://stopthesethings.com/2015/10/26/deadly-aircraftturbine-disaster-at-highland-wind-farms-just-a-matter-of-time/

 

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[fly_tornado]

I don't do your research

 

Solar power eclipsed fossil fuels in new 2017 generating capacity: U.N.

 

Nina Chestney, Alister Doyle

 

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LONDON/OSLO (Reuters) - Chinese solar power led a record 157 gigawatts (GW) of new renewable energy capacity added worldwide last year, more than double the amount of new generation capacity from fossil fuels, a U.N.-backed report showed on Thursday.

 

Employees check solar panels, as they work on a grid-connected photovoltaic power generation project, at a power plant in Changxing County, Zhejiang Province, China June 13, 2017. REUTERS/Stringer/File Photo

 

Globally, a record 98 GW of solar power capacity was installed last year with China contributing more than half, or 53 GW, according to U.N. Environment, the Frankfurt School-UNEP Collaborating Centre and Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

 

The new renewable energy generating capacity, also including wind, biofuels and geothermal energy, dwarfed the 70 GW of net new capacity from fossil fuels in 2017, it said.

 

“We are at a turning point ... from fossil fuels to the renewable world,” Erik Solheim, head of U.N. Environment, told Reuters. “The markets are there and renewables can take on coal, they can take on oil and gas.”

 

Fossil fuels, however, still dominate existing capacity. Solar, wind, biomass and other renewables generated 12.1 percent of world electricity in 2017, up from 5.2 percent a decade earlier, it said.

 

Climate scientists have advised governments that renewables should be the world’s dominant source of energy by mid-century if they want to achieve the toughest goals set under the 2015 Paris climate agreement to combat global warming.

 

Global investment in renewable energy rose by two percent to $279.8 billion in 2017 from a year earlier. China invested the most in renewables at $126.6 billion - its largest amount ever and 45 percent of the global total.

 

“Much lower costs ... are the driver of solar investment worldwide,” said Angus McCrone, chief editor of Bloomberg New Energy Finance and lead author of the report, told Reuters.

 

And solar power in China benefited from government policies to help industry, reduce air pollution and slow climate change, he said.

 

The report said the cost of generating electricity from large-scale solar photovoltaic technology fell by 15 percent last year to $86 per megawatt hour.

 

In the United States, renewable energy investment fell by six percent in 2017 to $40.5 billion. However, it was relatively resilient to policy uncertainties under President Donald Trump, who wants to promote fossil fuels, the report said.

 

“Trump can no more brake this than those who opposed the Industrial Revolution could stop the Industrial Revolution,” said Solheim, a former Norwegian environment minister.

 

Still, Trump’s decision in January to slap tariffs on imported solar panels could dent U.S. solar power in the short term, McCrone said.

 

But there was no sign the U.S. Congress would scrap tax credits for renewables that are a bigger driver of long-term investment, he said.

 

Europe’s investment in renewables plunged by 36 percent to $40.9 billion due to factors including the end of subsidies in some countries for solar and wind and lower technology costs.

 

“In Europe the fall in investment is strongly driven by Germany and the UK,” said Ulf Moslener, lead editor of the report at the Frankfurt School.

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

I don't do your research...

Errr... your the one making the claim, not me. You cite the reference quote. 

 

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[fly_tornado]

But I know you are only truly happy reading quacks

 

 

[octave]

"...why there has been no studies into the effect turbulence from wind farms has on planes when the

 

 

 

 

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/media/livacuk/flightscience/projects/cfd/wakeencounter/caa_wind_turbine_report.pdf

 

https://www.pagerpower.com/news/turbulence-caused-by-wind-turbines/

 

 

[Flying Binghi]

The maps only show sources on line, not power available.  Coal fired stations are very hard to put on and take off line and their pricing model might be that it is more economical to give the power away than to depower the station.

I just noted on one of the power related sites a visual chart of the various power inputs for today. Using the pria weeks record as a rough ballpark of average, it appears that whilst coal had a small increase of output today, the main replacement for today's wind shortfall were taken up by the various gas power systems. Considering the still relatively small input wind power has into the Australian power system it is easy to see just how extreme the power fluctuations will become as more wind power comes on line.

 

Oz power graph - http://opennem.org.au/#/all-regions

 

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