Billions for millions of drones

[facthunter]

They will be used for target practice.@ $1.3 billion each. Nev

 

 

[Phil Perry]

The waste of money on military hardware makes me despair. What is wrong with us?

This is in stark contrast to the UK Military. . . .we don't even have ONE single coastal patrol vessel. NOT ONE. I wonder what happened to the greatest Navy the world had ever seen ?

 

We also have 2 aircraft carriers with no catapults and NO aircraft. . . the Russian RT news channel jibed that these are the Largest floating Targets in the world. . .No support vessels, they've all been scrapped.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

Get Brumby, Morgan, whoever to produce a thousand single seat planes and put 500 pilots into them.100 million for a thousand equipped planes, double it or triple it for running expenses, hell even if it cost a Billion whats the issue? The peripheral employment and Australian economy would benefit as a whole.

Why is my post funny?

 

Why can't we have a 100 cheap planes in the sky connected together with whatever radar system to cover the entire grid that coverage is required?

 

The alternate here is to have 6 units for 7 Billion, and with past history of the Australian Defence Forces, at most 2 will be able to fly, 2 will be in for servicing, and 2 will never be working waiting for parts or something.

 

The Nigerian Airforce has 60 Vans RV6's for training and basic survelliance, Taiwan in the past had also 60 similar type and size (not Vans), so why not us.

 

 

[johnm]

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[Old Koreelah]

Anyone know the costs of putting a satellite up over Oz to do the same job?

Lots- because Bob Menzies and every leader since couldn’t see any value in Australia having a space industry- even though some of the pioneering work was done at Woomera.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Why is my post funny?Why can't we have a 100 cheap planes in the sky connected together with whatever radar system to cover the entire grid that coverage is required?

 

The alternate here is to have 6 units for 7 Billion, and with past history of the Australian Defence Forces, at most 2 will be able to fly, 2 will be in for servicing, and 2 will never be working waiting for parts or something.

 

The Nigerian Airforce has 60 Vans RV6's for training and basic survelliance, Taiwan in the past had also 60 similar type and size (not Vans), so why not us.

Interesting idea, Bex. In this country the cost of each pilot is the major factor.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...Old news, and no longer true...The Youth of China are as highly educated, and just as motivated and vigilant as any other Nation on Climate Change and environmental impacts...

That’s good to hear, Bex. I sure hope they have some influence over their elders. The world could easily lose tigers, rhinos and lots of other rare and endangered species because of China’s appetite for them.

 

 

[facthunter]

It's an absolute crazy price. How can it be that high.? That's apart from how effective it will be. and how easy it would be to interfere with them. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

Lots- because Bob Menzies and every leader since couldn’t see any value in Australia having a space industry- even though some of the pioneering work was done at Woomera.

There are several satellites up over Australia operating in various applications. One is tasked to measure the ice status in Antarctica. Satellite equipment can send down images taken from overhead in minute detail....except in overcast conditions. They may also be able to operate in infra red. The disadvantage is that 2D overheads are no match for low angle aerial shots, which started the drone era. The video of the first Gulf war target hits where we saw missiles going through the doors of buildings was taken from the FLER panels of F16s. It was non-optical radar that was providing those images from 40 miles out. Over-the-shoulder missile launching came in a short time later which is why the JSF doesn’t need to turn. Once you set up the platform and infrastructure for an over the horizon drone, you are no longer concerned with the weight and number of crew so you can have A room full of specialists all inputing their commands to the drone. I suspect it’s the platform and infrastructure causing the high cost.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

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What a nation of slackers we are. Now the bloody Kiwis are beating us into space!

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Not so much a nation of slackers but NZ doesn't have our natural resources, they are like Japan in that they have to work to produce wealth, we can get by just digging holes to pay our bills.

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Turbs makes a good point about the accuracy of self-guiding missiles.

 

Taking this further, these missiles mean that anything big and expensive becomes a target hard to miss.

 

Would you like to be on an aircraft carrier if a thousand such missiles with nuclear tips were fired at it?

 

And even army tanks are a target for cheaper missiles, to the extent that I cannot think of a single possible use for Australia to have any army tanks.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Digging those holes is hard work and involves some of the most high tech stuff that is done in Australia. We are world leaders in advanced mining technology. Can't say the same about our military spending.

 

 

[Litespeed]

We have big tanks to justify the big planes we bought to move them about. We have big planes to move the big tanks.

 

 

[johnm]

What a nation of slackers we are. Now the bloody Kiwis are beating us into space!

yyeeeaaaahhhhh BUT remember we are only on a 45.6 hour week .............. kiwis got to be on a 52.54 hour week - shirley

 

 

[fly_tornado]

This is in stark contrast to the UK Military. . . .we don't even have ONE single coastal patrol vessel. NOT ONE. I wonder what happened to the greatest Navy the world had ever seen ?We also have 2 aircraft carriers with no catapults and NO aircraft. . . the Russian RT news channel jibed that these are the Largest floating Targets in the world. . .No support vessels, they've all been scrapped.

The UK is going to be the UE's Cuba after Brexit

 

 

[bexrbetter]

That’s good to hear, Bex. I sure hope they have some influence over their elders. The world could easily lose tigers, rhinos and lots of other rare and endangered species because of China’s appetite for them.

Nothing changes overnight, the sale of ivory is now under a complete blanket ban here, for large scale ivory importation you are looking at the death penalty. And you know what the death penalty means in China.

 

It has come about again due to the new generations coming through, and the work of a lot of celebrities, 2.3 meters or 7'6" tall Pro Basketball player Yao Ming is one of the most famous people in China, and certainly the most popular with teenage and young males, and made a full length movie a few years back that had huge impact ..

 

 

 

[bexrbetter]

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Well the idea was to keep it within Australia for Australians, not to farm it out to some wogs who can't speak English.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

The UK is going to be the UE's Cuba after Brexit

Sounds about right mate,. . they don't trust us to build ships for the RN either,. . they've signed a contract with Australia to build three of them under licence down your end of the world.

 

I hope that your shipbuilders are better than ours, . . . . a retired RN Commander told me that the build quality / finish inside and out of most British warships was bloody disgraceful. . .and Had been so for a few decades.

 

 

[bexrbetter]

. they've signed a contract with Australia to build three of them under licence down your end of the world.

Get us to build your submarines too, we are awesome at that!

 

 

[turboplanner]

Sounds about right mate,. . they don't trust us to build ships for the RN either,. . they've signed a contract with Australia to build three of them under licence down your end of the world.I hope that your shipbuilders are better than ours, . . . . a retired RN Commander told me that the build quality / finish inside and out of most British warships was bloody disgraceful. . .and Had been so for a few decades.

British frigate program to seed Australia's own warship industry, Turnbull says

The Morris Commercial of the future Phil

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Get us to build your submarines too, we are awesome at that!

We've got a couple of those already mate,. . . .up in Scotchland. . . .you don't really NEED that many Nuke subs,. . .One would probably be sufficient. I don't know many retired Submariners, never personally been a Binbag Back aftie, so please don't start dripping or giving me the Harry Threaders mate. . . .

 

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[bexrbetter]

We've got a couple of those already mate,. . . . .

Lucky for you ..

 

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[johnm]

ppphhff - a 1 or 2 $ billion blowout - nothing - they are just warming the public to handle the real BIG number

 

......... lets wait for the real blowout cost

 

 

[jetjr]

A large portion of the money is to set up bases able to handle the operation and maintenance of the aircraft. It also is for operations for some time.

 

Still a lot of money