DreamWorld and the importance of training records.

[turboplanner]

So why do so many people start their sentences with “So”? It is a pandemic.

It's an introductory, positioning word which has become popular.

At the same time the once universal "LOOK OUT!" would have someone scratching theio

 

 

[turboplanner]

And that, my friends, is the reason for my writing that warning message to my clients. Try this next Monday, If you are still numbered amongst the working masses. Contact your superior and ask how the following is done in your workplace:Division 4 Duty of officers, workers and other persons

27 Duty of officers

 

(1) If a person conducting a business or undertaking has a duty or obligation under this Act, an officer of the person conducting the business or undertaking must exercise due diligence to ensure that the person conducting the business or undertaking complies with that duty or obligation.

 

(5) In this section, due diligence includes taking reasonable steps:

 

(e) to ensure that the person conducting the business or undertaking has, and implements, processes for complying with any duty or obligation of the person conducting the business or undertaking under this Act, and Example. For the purposes of paragraph (e), the duties or obligations under this Act of a person conducting a business or undertaking may include:

 

• reporting notifiable incidents,

 

• consulting with workers,

 

• ensuring compliance with notices issued under this Act,

 

• ensuring the provision of training and instruction to workers about work health and safety,

 

• ensuring that health and safety representatives receive their entitlements to training.

 

Then watch them squirm.

The plain English version of this, if anyone is concerned about this wording, is executed during the training and instruction phase, and that may extend to translation into the language understood by the worker.

The squirming becomes even greater where the duty of care is extended by Chain of Responsibility legislation which can see the CEO and Directors prosecuted for an act by one of their employees, or another company's employee, such as the driver of a truck who has been told by senior management that the goods must be delivered "no later than x".

 

 

[M61A1]

That is one of the reasons that it's ridiculously expensive to do business in this country. We have to employ so many non-productive people to cover the arxe of all levels of management. So many non-productive hours of safety meetings and toolbox talks. All so they can document their safety training.

 

We have a ridiculous number of safety consultants and safety system managers, yet nothing has got any better. They just burden the workers with more process and paperwork in an environment where we are already drowning in documentation.

 

Yes we need safety, but there needs to be a balance. What we have and where we are going is nothing more than a parasitic industry sucking the life out of Australian business with little or no added benefit to anyone except those employed in the safety industry.

 

 

[facthunter]

SO is derived from the ancient chinese Ah so, some times corrupted to the derogatory (often only muttered" R sole in eengleesh. "Are an" inferred.. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

That is one of the reasons that it's ridiculously expensive to do business in this country. We have to employ so many non-productive people to cover the arxe of all levels of management. So many non-productive hours of safety meetings and toolbox talks. All so they can document their safety training.We have a ridiculous number of safety consultants and safety system managers, yet nothing has got any better. They just burden the workers with more process and paperwork in an environment where we are already drowning in documentation.

Yes we need safety, but there needs to be a balance. What we have and where we are going is nothing more than a parasitic industry sucking the life out of Australian business with little or no added benefit to anyone except those employed in the safety industry.

That might be so in your industry, but most industries moved on to efficient and safe work practices a decade or two ago, and don't have excessive non-productives, and are more efficient than they were in the old paper days.

 

 

[Yenn]

Much as I dislike the safety systems we have today I must admit that the accident rate has gone down from the days I was involved in industry.

 

At the end of the century when I was just winding down from work I was appalled at the attitude of workers, who could not see hazards. In my day we were always aware of danger. In 2000 I can remember pulling men back from dangerous situations, because they did not see them. That was when we had the super officious safety inspectors.

 

 

[old man emu]

I agree that there is a lot of work in setting up systems to make sure that the workplace is safe; that the conduct of the work does not do more damage than necessary to the environment. However, once the system is in place, it only requires an hour or two each month to check one or two points of the system. By doing a little, often, the whole system can be checked over the space of a year.

 

You don't have to check each Chapter and Verse of the system at the one time. The idea that you have to is what deters people from implementing systems. This is what my clients have in their environmental management system document:

 

 

The checking of the operation of other management systems can be set in a similar matrix, allowing a number of systems to be checked on the same day. One day a month - 12 days per year - problems are soon identified and steps taken to reduce their effects.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Multiply it by 100 people each of them having an input in to the operation..and you have a colossal train wreck. It's why the world has gone to pot. Not young people. Individuals of all ages who think their little bit doesn't matter.

Don't get over-excited Win.

While not strictly safety, I was directly involved in the phase-in of ISO 9001 to one of Australia's bigger companies. All people involved in it worked in spare time. One was the overall coordinator, and about four others including myself had specific tasks to complete, which included writing the manual, form a proforma skeleton. From memory we did it in about four months, albeit with a lot of nights spent writing. When the manual was complete, we gave each State a Manual and advised them we would be conducting audits of the States in about a month. We each audited 1 or 2 States. I flew to Brisbane and audited the Queensland Branch against the whole Manual. That did involve an interstate flight and a lost days production. The Queensland Branch returned a 100% audit pass, and Victoria returned about 90%, which then had to be rectified. From that point the company worked off the manuals, which were updated when necessary, and people appointed randomly to to the audits when required. We had just the one co-ordinator interfacing with the ISO body, and they in turn audited us Nationally from time to time. We were probably smart enough not to let our hundreds of people air their views from the rooftops.

 

Nor were the safety systems as complicated as some seem to believe. In one case, on the main car line, the floor pan was spot welded in one hit to the other body panels, held down by a large press. About eight people were involved in this process, and injuries had occurred in the past; but getting eight people ready and clear at the same time without someone looking the wrong way at the critical time, or putting he had in to retrieve something was problematic, so that issue was resolved by setting up 8 seats around the activity, and fitting them with pressure switches. The press and welders couldn't activate until all 8 were seated, and this involved technology that was available in the 1920s - no additional needed, no additional supervisors, no additional processes, just a focus on improving safety.

 

 

[winsor68]

Don't get over-excited Win.While not strictly safety, I was directly involved in the phase-in of ISO 9001 to one of Australia's bigger companies. All people involved in it worked in spare time. One was the overall coordinator, and about four others including myself had specific tasks to complete, which included writing the manual, form a proforma skeleton. From memory we did it in about four months, albeit with a lot of nights spent writing. When the manual was complete, we gave each State a Manual and advised them we would be conducting audits of the States in about a month. We each audited 1 or 2 States. I flew to Brisbane and audited the Queensland Branch against the whole Manual. That did involve an interstate flight and a lost days production. The Queensland Branch returned a 100% audit pass, and Victoria returned about 90%, which then had to be rectified. From that point the company worked off the manuals, which were updated when necessary, and people appointed randomly to to the audits when required. We had just the one co-ordinator interfacing with the ISO body, and they in turn audited us Nationally from time to time. We were probably smart enough not to let our hundreds of people air their views from the rooftops.

Nor were the safety systems as complicated as some seem to believe. In one case, on the main car line, the floor pan was spot welded in one hit to the other body panels, held down by a large press. About eight people were involved in this process, and injuries had occurred in the past; but getting eight people ready and clear at the same time without someone looking the wrong way at the critical time, or putting he had in to retrieve something was problematic, so that issue was resolved by setting up 8 seats around the activity, and fitting them with pressure switches. The press and welders couldn't activate until all 8 were seated, and this involved technology that was available in the 1920s - no additional needed, no additional supervisors, no additional processes, just a focus on improving safety.

And NO ONE....wants to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to this elephant then?

 

 

[M61A1]

That might be so in your industry, but most industries moved on to efficient and safe work practices a decade or two ago, and don't have excessive non-productives, and are more efficient than they were in the old paper days.

Rubbish....I work for an extremely large global company, and have worked for another extremely large global company in the same industry, as well as a couple of large construction companies.

Efficiency is achieved in spite of the extra crap they have to deal with, not because it. When we a smaller company there was much greater efficiency and less non-productive carp. we are now part of a global giant with nearly as many managers and support staff as productive workers, all required to run SMSs and Quality management systems,(not to mention "diversity") and yet somehow, they manage to design a system that has the worker on the floor tied up doing a lot of their work

 

You can't see the elephant, because you don't believe it exists, if you acknowledge it's existence, it means your beloved system isn't working.

 

 

[winsor68]

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to this elephant then?

What did you do about it???

 

 

[winsor68]

...it means your beloved system isn't working.

Or...you are one of the elephants!!!

 

 

[turboplanner]

What did you do about it???

Not sure what you mean; what did I do about what?

 

 

[Dwilly]

The industrial manslaughter offence under Queensland legislation

[gareth lacey]

So ,i am on a scaffold floor just under the roof welding a beam connection ,safety rails in place and harness connected to a secure hook point, exclusion zone around area ,fire watch below happily welding away ( xray after completion) safety person tells me to come down, then asks why i dont have a safety helmet on,explain that when welding cannot use it,then proceeds to lecture me (she is all of 22 yrs old) has no practical experience but shuts me down and proceeds to write me up, so the way we got around it was, we did the welding late afternoon when she was not on site ,total useless application of the rules ,thes so called"safety" experts need to do on the job training and realise the practicallities of the real world also this same person told me to wear a harness in a scissor lift when the manufacturer(at that time) stated in its log book on the machine i quote" we recommend you do not use a harness in this machine ( 2001) but insisted so i read out this to her and told her that if i got hurt when wearing harness i would sue her, she then gave me a notice to stop work, after an hr or so i got the ok to proceed (i was 3 mtres up) safety is a priority ,but it has gon

 

 

[turboplanner]

Rubbish....I work for an extremely large global company, and have worked for another extremely large global company in the same industry, as well as a couple of large construction companies.Efficiency is achieved in spite of the extra crap they have to deal with, not because it. When we a smaller company there was much greater efficiency and less non-productive carp. we are now part of a global giant with nearly as many managers and support staff as productive workers, all required to run SMSs and Quality management systems,(not to mention "diversity") and yet somehow, they manage to design a system that has the worker on the floor tied up doing a lot of their work

You can't see the elephant, because you don't believe it exists, if you acknowledge it's existence, it means your beloved system isn't working.

Whenever I post about safety, I can always rely on an instant rebuttal from you; you've left a trail of statements over the years. Anyone with management experience can read this one and make their own conclusions.

 

 

[M61A1]

That's because :

 

1. You don't post about safety, you post about legal, and

 

2. I strongly disapprove of the damage they are doing to this country and it's people. I have no beef with doing things safely, having a quality system or lean management, but they are tools to help, not to drag you down.

 

It is my opinion that we have a problem with implementation in this country, that is, we take a good idea and implement it so poorly that it becomes harmful.

 

Also, who says I'm not part of management?

 

 

[turboplanner]

I made a mistake; I should have said management skills instead of experience.

 

 

[M61A1]

Perhaps that's part of the problem (as I see it)....We have a lot of managers, way too many, not only do we have too many, they are not skilled in management. The diversity and inclusiveness people want everyone to believe that they too can be a manager if you do the course and follow the guidelines.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Perhaps that's part of the problem (as I see it)....We have a lot of managers, way too many, not only do we have too many, they are not skilled in management. The diversity and inclusiveness people want everyone to believe that they too can be a manager if you do the course and follow the guidelines.

Which is what you've demonstrated most elegantly, and this is why the buzz word around corporate training in recent years has been "Execution".

 

 

[M61A1]

While my management skills may be questionable, I've yet to see anything good come from the sort management you preach. Buzzwords do not create good management and most have had a gutfull of words like 'compliance', governance', 'inclusiveness', 'diversity' and 'execution'.

 

The unnecessarily restrictive and poorly implemented quality and safety systems demanded in this country will be our downfall, but I bet most of those involved will absolve themselves of any responsibility when it happens.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

While my management skills may be questionable, I've yet to see anything good come from the sort management you preach.

My brother was driving trucks when the fluro clothing came in and he got pinched a couple of times for not wearing a seat belt. Now he only drives without a seat belt on the weekend

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

My brother was driving trucks when the fluro clothing came in and he got pinched a couple of times for not wearing a seat belt. Now he only drives without a seat belt on the weekend

You can't do much about stupid people. I know several people who make a habit of removing their seat belts when they turn off the highway. One would even tell her kids to take theirs off, while hurtling down a rough gravel road to her farm.

Their logic is mind-bending; they think the worst that can happen is to cop a fine.

 

I've helped free one such person from a car wreck that left her- a young mother of toddlers- in a wheelchair.

 

 

[M61A1]

You can't do much about stupid people

This pretty much sums it all up.....The socialists seem to believe that there's a job for everyone and that were all equal, we just need some training. Statistically there is a percentage of the population that are not intelligent enough (and never will be) to carry out even basic tasks. All for equal opportunity, but forcing equality of outcome will not end well for anyone.