skippydiesel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just thought I might try & stimulate this conversation: After reading the Savannah (912 ULS) performance claims : Stall 26 Knots Cruise 91 Knots @5000 rpm Max Cruise 100 Knots @5500 rpm I am not surprised that the Savannah consumes more fuel, at a given air speed than the ATEC Zephyr: Stall 32 Knots @ 450kg Cruise 116 Knots @ 4800 rpm Max Cruise 125 + Knots @ 5500 rpm My Zephyr, with the ground adjustable prop set to advantage climb (the above would be a cruise or CS prop setting) is doing an easy 100 + knots @ 4800 rpm (sea level). My interpretation is that the Zephyr's 912 @ a given airspeed , is just not working as hard as the Savannah's 912 at the same airspeed. ERGO my 912 is consuming way way less fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Because at a given airspeed it's using less horsepower. Overcoming drag is a squared situation. Double the speed four times the power required. Overpowering a draggy plane only gets it off the ground quicker. To cruise faster is too costly. ( and probably nudging Vne). Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Communications Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 VNE on my sav is 108 kts...its a much draggier airframe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Zephyr, 450 kg mtow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Zephyr, 450 kg mtow? Hi Downunder - European Zephyr max take off 450 kg - so all factory figures at this weight. Existing Australian registered Zephyrs have a permit to go to 544 Kg (cant understand why it is not 545 kg). New ATEC imports to AU are now at 600 Kg. To the best of my understanding, all of the weight changes have been without structural change to the aircraft - my interpretation - Max TO Weight in this aircraft has/is a bureaucratic convenience to meet jurisdiction requirements, rather than the true capability of the aircraft . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I forgot to mention with the increase to 544 kg TO, the stall speed rises to 35 knots for the Zephyr. The Faeta at 600 kg has a stall of 32 Knots. Both of these aircraft have a sub 100 m TO, ground role @ MAX weight. Depending on brake system selected can also have a sub 100 m landing role VNE Zephyr 143 knots Faeta 157 knots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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