Changing CASA?

[Downunder]

There is a successful bi-annual Airshow, but it almost goes from there to local fly in breakfasts

That's very true. And the reason there is no "middle of the road" local/state airshows?

 

CASA rules and regs (forced insurances) make it too expensive in relation to the potential income, making it unviable for small clubs/organisations unless there is a major sponsor willing to fork out.

 

 

[M61A1]

I think RecFlying should have a module which teaches the structure of Politics.

 

The Minister and Shadow Minister relate to a Department which has over 1400 employees.

 

CASA, with about 800 employees is the responsibility of that Department.

 

And CASA is only one of the Aviation organisations, and is limited to Safety.

 

The big picture is well beyond one Minister being able to wake up, scratch himself, and decide he'll change aviation safety tomorrow afternoon.

As usual, you’ve perfectly illustrated exactly what’s wrong by describing how it works.

 

 

[turboplanner]

That's very true. And the reason there is no "middle of the road" local/state airshows?

 

CASA rules and regs (forced insurances) make it too expensive in relation to the potential income, making it unviable for small clubs/organisations unless there is a major sponsor willing to fork out.

The aviation”family” and”market” are too geographically spread to make Country Airshows financially viable these days so it’s a matter of coming up with something else.

 

 

[facthunter]

It was in the past, Mark. This Country was built on Aviation. When it's flooded it still the only way around in some places. People here think all planes fly to BALI. Nev

 

 

[spacesailor]

"This Country was built on Aviation. " not as good as others. spacesailor

 

 

[mnewbery]

Spurs. Love it

 

 

[mnewbery]

The most recent Uber Elevate SummIt in Washington covered a lot of stuff about regulation. Specifically about working (with) the FAA. It's going to be fun to watch the first time a large multinational take a successful implementation of Urban Air Mobility and bring it here on a silver platter to the Australian Aviation Safety Authority. I'm not predicting anything other than it will be a great spectator sport

 

 

[turboplanner]

With Australia so large and difficult to travel it would seem obvious to some that GA would be encouraged, subsidized and embraced so people can easily move around your great island.

If you go back to the time of the first flights in Australia, the Australian taxpayers have paid a huge amount of money for the development, infrastructure, and maintenance of civil aviation. The arguments and cat fights revolve around the peaks of that mountain of cash.

 

Perhaps we were all oversold on the flying cars dreams of Cessna and Piper, and it's time to get over that.

 

Perhaps the work of the pioneer aviators in the US and Australia has petered out, and it's time for a new generation of entrepreneurs to come up with some new ways to boost non-commercial aviation.

 

On the other hand, with airport car parks four kilometers long, commercial aviation in Australia has never been better thanks to extremely low air fares between major cities.

 

It's the smaller cities and towns that have fallen away and are losing their airports.

 

 

[facthunter]

It's likely that the "feeder" airlines and small charter will require subsidies to service country airports. This was the way PNG and NT services existed . If it has to make a profit It won't happen. Country towns are not growing ( with RARE exceptions) People are increasingly preferring to live in cities all over the world. The best of the newer commercial jets run for seat km costs that the smaller feeder aircraft can't get near, and probably never will. The latest cost imposition for screening passengers is a nail in the coffin of Regional Air Services. My sympathies go to those who have tried to maintain those services against the odds and the communities which will lose ANY service at all. bar the odd chartered aircraft. Nev

 

 

[jackc]

As ASA contract out their maintenance services of NAV aids etc to the private sector, the response times for repairs will be longer and local holdings of spares will be almost non existent. All in the effort to save money etc.

 

Safety will be compromised, ask any ex DCA, ASA employee, I have a few as friends.

 

Cheers,

 

Jack

 

 

[facthunter]

Is Melbourne weather radar still US? I think it is and that's been out for a long while now. Nev

 

 

[Manwell]

 

For CAVU Mark:

 

We once had a Department of Civil Aviation which did everything from promoting aviation to providing Communication, Pilot Assistance, Compliance and Enforcement, Training and Promotion.

 

You could go to a DCA office and receive a personal Meteorology briefing, nominate nominate "full reporting" when you submitted a flight plan with "reporting points", and you would be monitored for the whole of your flight. If you didn't report within two minutes of your flight plan time, you'd receive a radio call with assistance. If you didn't respond to the call within 15 minutes, Search and Rescue would be activated. If you called up to say you were lost or couldn't handle the weather someone in a Flight Centre would be allocated to be your guardian and would talk you home, in conjunction with airline pilots if necessary. The cost per GA mile flown by private pilots burned up a prohibitive amount of tax dollars, with millions of uneventful miles flown.

 

Over time the Department was reduced in size, and from the 1980s when government departments decided to offload public liability on to a user-pays system, the Department completely cut operational ties, placing management of civil aviation under control of semi-independent bodies who in turn set about structuring themselves for user-pays and user-risk control.

 

Communication and Pilot Assistance went to Airservices Australia, which for some reason rarely ever gets a mention on this forum, Compliance and Enforcement, and Training went to CASA (Civil Aviation and Safety Authority), and Promotion went to the Users. The more risky operations like ultralights, warbirds, gliding etc wen to Self Regulation where the participants took over their own public liability risk, allowing some activities for the first time

 

Ironically we went from what some people would call a cotton wool world where we had to explain where we were going and stick to the plan, to being able to fly anywhere in the Country within our licence capabilities without monitoring.

 

The other very important part in our history and also that of the United States was the decision to have common regulations around the world through ICAO and this can be quite irritating to non-European country flyers, cramping our style and being blamed on CASA. We often have discussions where people point out that flying in the US is much less regulated, but when I check the latest FAA regs, I find the operative phrase is "was less regulated" as the US adds the same ICAO changes as we do.

 

Australians have never picked up on the fact that they are now responsible for promoting their own flying industry. There is a successful bi-annual Airshow, but it almost goes from there to local fly in breakfasts. In Australia "V8 Supercars" is a body which has successfully promoted forms of auto racing, like NASCAR in the US, so there's an opportunity here for someone to produce a marketing instrument like these which finances private flying.

 

The above is not necessarily accurate, but as much as my brain can remember right now.

 

That's why CASA has been set up to prevent accidents and not to support flying.

 

It seems you must work for CASA turbo.  Could be somewhere higher up the ladder too.  While your long-winded explanation above sounds logical, it's exactly what I'd expect of a press release by CASA PR.  In summary, it's not their fault, it's someone else's - the one-armed man perhaps.  That is such a standard cop out at all levels of Govt that you gotta be on the payroll.

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Turns is spot on, I was there. Apparently in the USA you can still get a weather briefing from a human.

 

 

[turboplanner]

It seems you must work for CASA turbo.  Could be somewhere higher up the ladder too.  While your long-winded explanation above sounds logical, it's exactly what I'd expect of a press release by CASA PR.  In summary, it's not their fault, it's someone else's - the one-armed man perhaps.  That is such a standard cop out at all levels of Govt that you gotta be on the payroll.

 

No, I have no relationship with CASA. Thousands of pilots could tell you the same story because that’s the history.

 

 

[Manwell]

You don't have to have a relationship with CASA to promote them.  Some voluntarily promote their PR because they don't know any better, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  Are you paid to post here by someone else then?  Nearly 11,000 posts implies a lot of spare time to waste, or you're a professional.

 

 

[turboplanner]

You don't have to have a relationship with CASA to promote them.  Some voluntarily promote their PR because they don't know any better, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.  Are you paid to post here by someone else then?  Nearly 11,000 posts implies a lot of spare time to waste, or you're a professional.

 

I’ve come to put a value on your posts Manwell.

 

 

[Manwell]

I’ve come to put a value on your posts Manwell.

 

Tactful reply turbo.   How about we introduce ourselves a bit to break the ice.  My names Peter, and I'm retired........?

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

I've been retired for over 20 years and have never been so busy. This is the only site ( including Ian's other one ) which I frequent.

 

Since retiring , I have built or rebuilt 3 houses, 2 planes, one glider, 2 hangars and lots of sheds and rc model planes.

 

The main difference with being retired is that nobody pays you.

 

 

[Manwell]

I take it you're a bit of a handyman then Bruce.  That's a good thing.  At least handymen aren't academic specialists who know progressively more and more about less and less.   Which aircraft did you build or rebuild Bruce?

 

 

[Admin]

The main difference with being retired is that nobody pays you.

 

Nobody pays me and I'm not retired...just another currently unemployed bum desperately seeking a new job before I have to visit the Salvos for a care package

 

 

[Manwell]

Good luck getting one in Melbourne Admin.  There's your biggest hurdle, unless you're a loony lefty of course, then you're a shoe-in.... ?

 

What line of work are you looking for?

 

 

[Admin]

I work in setting up and/or managing PMOs (Project Management Office), ensure governance is applied to projects including development of frameworks and methodologies...or even just going back to Project/Program Management

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Not as handy as Ian with this website, manwell.

 

I built a Jabiru from a kit ( it came in a flat-pack ) and then I sold my Mosquito glider and bought a write-off Libelle to fix.  Previously, I had done a blueprint job on the Mosquito, making the airfoil section much more accurate.  It did some good flights, that Mosquito.

 

The most expensive bit is having to be a paid-up member of the GFA and the RAAus. I also need to join the SAAA so I can work on the son's Lancair.

 

The total annual membership fees for the 3 will be over $1000 a year.  I wish they would amalgamate.

 

Yep, I can't cope with lazy and non-handy guys. The husband of a god-daughter is such a guy, he will watch telly while the septic tank overflows, and he doesn't own any tools at all. I worry that he is an example of the new generation.

 

Ian, if this website is anything to go by, you have impressive computer credentials. I would employ you in a second.

 

 

[Manwell]

What sort of projects do you manage Bruce?  

 

The problem with being a paid up member of anything to commit aviation is that they pretty soon forget who pays them, and why.

 

 

[Jim McDowall]

I also need to join the SAAA so I can work on the son's Lancair.

 

Why do you believe that you have to be a member of SAAA to work on the Lancair?