Flying Out Of Australia To New Guinea OR Indonesia?

[jackc]

An enquiring wants to know IF this possible? Has anyone done it? Naturally, approvals would be needed etc to exit Australia, enter another country and return. Does flying over ocean present a legality problem?

 

Any hints appreciated,even if it means abandonment of the idea!

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

 

 

[yampy]

Jack . I assume you are referring to flying an aircraft under an ultralight registration . As I understand it , and I stand corrected if it’s not the case , an aeroplane has to carry an ICAO registration in order to be flown internationally , in other words in the case of Australia a VH registration prefix . I’m led to believe that the Australian method of ultralight registrations , eg by a numerical prefix is not internationally recognised . As I say , perhaps someone else may be able to throw more light on the situation, and like you welcome further input .

 

Dave

 

 

[pmccarthy]

See TO THE TOP END, KUPANG, & DILI 2014

 

 

[kasper]

Yampy has the basics there but there is a but.

 

Starting point. All RAAus registered aircraft and RAAus issues pilots certificates are only operative within Australia.

 

Next step - flying over water not within gliding distance of land in RAAus reg aircraft have further limits.

 

The BUT

 

CASA can authorise quite a lot of flight within Australia that is outside the limits of the CAO ... and it’s still an RAAus reg aircraft and certificate holder ... you might get CASA to come on board ... and that will get you to the international flight boarder.

 

THEN you will need to get recognition from the next country to operate your non ICAO airframe in their airspace on whatever certificate or licence you have.

 

Can be done but it’s a big hassle.

 

And to be clear all nationally registered aircraft and pilots licences are not icao compliant. In the UK my aircraft all had G- reg on them and I held an Uk NPPL(m) neither the aircraft nor the licence are icao compliant BUT there was goodwill between countries and I could fly pretty much anywhere in Europe because each county agreed to accept non-icao aircraft. Nothing to do with the EU but country to country agreement.

 

So any of those visiting Uk reg ultralights over the years have not been flying here due to icao reg but due to casa allowing them to operate on non- compliant reg and licences.

 

Good luck.

 

 

[jackc]

Thanks everyone for the advice, it’s something I will research over time to see IF it is doable. Be great if it is but also understand the realities may not be possible. Nothing ventured.....nothing gained :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

 

 

[Downunder]

This company should be able to provide some information.

 

[/url]https://www.whiteroseaviation.co.uk/about-us/

 

As an RAA pilot and aircraft owner, I'm keen to do Kupang in indo one day.

 

 

[BirdDog]

Next step - flying over water not within gliding distance of land in RAAus reg aircraft have further limits.

Unless it's Victor 1. ;)

 

 

[kasper]

Unless it's Victor 1. ;)

True that it’s not within gliding distance ... but has anyone actually tested the legality of using victor1 in an aircraft registered with RAAus?

 

Just because Airservices have a GA VFR lane does not mean we are allowed under CASA rules to use it.

 

I wish RAAus would put a stack more effort into working out these practical issues with aircraft ops AND PUBLISH THEM TO THE MEMBERSHIP rather than running around trying to make all ours level up to GA and expand into GA.

 

Look in the Knowledge Base of RAAus and thee is not even a heading for aircraft operations or pilot resources.

 

 

[jackc]

Unless it's Victor 1. ;)

On checking distances over water, Bamaga to Daru is 120 nautical miles over water.

 

[/url]https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/abm-to-dau/

 

However there are many intermediate airstrips en route on small islands, probably very basic facilities, this situation might cover gliding distances over water? Then, Customs formalities need to be considered for entering New Guinea, guess that has been done before by GA pilots.

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

 

 

[Thruster88]

True that it’s not within gliding distance ... but has anyone actually tested the legality of using victor1 in an aircraft registered with RAAus?

 

Just because Airservices have a GA VFR lane does not mean we are allowed under CASA rules to use it.

 

I wish RAAus would put a stack more effort into working out these practical issues with aircraft ops AND PUBLISH THEM TO THE MEMBERSHIP rather than running around trying to make all ours level up to GA and expand into GA.

 

Look in the Knowledge Base of RAAus and thee is not even a heading for aircraft operations or pilot resources.

A team of lawyers could not tell you if flying a numbered aircraft down Victor 1 was legal or not but there would be a bill. My advice would be just do it and make a vid for others to enjoy, thanks scott, life is short enjoy.

 

 

[BirdDog]

True that it’s not within gliding distance ... but has anyone actually tested the legality of using victor1 in an aircraft registered with RAAus?

 

Just because Airservices have a GA VFR lane does not mean we are allowed under CASA rules to use it.

 

I wish RAAus would put a stack more effort into working out these practical issues with aircraft ops AND PUBLISH THEM TO THE MEMBERSHIP rather than running around trying to make all ours level up to GA and expand into GA.

 

Look in the Knowledge Base of RAAus and thee is not even a heading for aircraft operations or pilot resources.

 

That was the point of my post. Victor 1 makes us break the rules, but so many I know have done it. I haven't yet, but would love to! Although the idiots with drones are making it a bit of a dance with the devil.

 

 

[jackc]

OK, I’ll bite, just what is Victor 1?

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

 

 

[BirdDog]

OK, I’ll bite, just what is Victor 1?

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

Grab a Sydney VNC and have a look at the green strip that runs up the coast past Sydney. (From Bundeena to Long Reef) It's an area that demands we stay UNDER 500ft over the ocean to get through the busy Sydney airspace.

 

 

[Downunder]

On checking distances over water, Bamaga to Daru is 120 nautical miles over water.

 

[/url]https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/abm-to-dau/

 

However there are many intermediate airstrips en route on small islands, probably very basic facilities, this situation might cover gliding distances over water? Then, Customs formalities need to be considered for entering New Guinea, guess that has been done before by GA pilots.

 

Cheers,

 

Jack.

One of the major obstacles is the dearture and arrival at places relating to immigration and customs.

 

You cannot just leave anywhere or stop for fuel at random (foreign) places, especially before going through customs.

 

There are designated "points of entry" and "points of depature" in countries.

 

If the airport you need to go to is not an international destination, then it generally will not have customs facilities.

 

However some places can bring in staff to process you with prior planning.