Guest disperse Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Ok it's not a plane but gives you an idea of just how quick things happen at 135kts A picture is worth a thousand words. The Honda rider was traveling at such a 'very high speed', his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155 mph) before the bike hit the slow moving car side-on at an intersection. At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the vehicle came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to even apply the brakes. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place. All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license. At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate that no actions were taken. In other words, they didn't even have time to say, 'Oh, ####!'
Guest airsick Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 250 kmh is around 135 knots. Let's say you are travelling at 110 kts which is 200 kmh. That makes a closing speed of 400 kmh with an aircraft travelling at the same speed in the opposite direction. This is about 363 feet per second. Let's say you see the aircraft at 1/2 kilometre away (1640 feet). That gives you 4.5 seconds to say, "Is that an aircraft? Holy crap, it is!", and then react. Thinking that won't take as long as saying it but it will still take some time to see, confirm, decide what to do and then do it. Disperse has raised a very interesting and poignant point here, one that is definitely worth thinking about.
Ultralights Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 apart from the speed, im willing to bet, the cage driver was at fault.
Guest disperse Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 apart from the speed, im willing to bet, the cage driver was at fault. I won't argue with this being a bike rider in the past that has exceeded 110kts ...... but in defense of the cage driver (and remember my trade is B-doubles) if you come to a intersection and have a quick look to find 100m of clear road in a 80kph zone .. wouldn't you cross the intersection. because the last thing you would expect is a motorcycle closing at 250k. But back to just how quick a long distance becomes a emergency at these speeds is normally incomprehensible ....... until you crap yourself
Deskpilot Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Did it really happen as reported? Don't you find it strange that there are no blood stains anywhere and the roof is still attached. To get a person out of that mess surely would have necessitated the roof off and the bike removal. The passenger would have been squashed twix bike and driver, the biker having gone over the roof. The driver probably got thrown out as the car flipped and his door ripped off during rotation. No paint scratches though as far as I can see apart from on the bonnet. Stranger things happen but..........
Guest ozzie Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 If you have a close look at the left windscreen pillar you can see that it has been cut. you can also see the crease in the roof were it has been folded open then back closed. they would have extracted the bike and victems out thru the top, given it a hose out ,stuffed the bike back in and shut the roof back down. body fluid stains on the headrest. also looks like the doors have been cut at the hinges.
Guest disperse Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 if you have a look at the 3rd photo the drivers door is actually in front of the motorcycle and part of the drivers door is hanging out the entry side (see other photo's) as well in the 3rd photo behind where the head rest now is. There is a big cut in the side towards the rear. Im guessing that they peeled the roof and rear panel open to extract the driver from the rear corner of the car ..... and also agree that it has been put back together after a wash for the display
Guest ozzie Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 This is a left hand drive vehicle the bike entered via the passengers door
Ultralights Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 a few things dont seam right with the photos, the airbag has deployed, yet there is no frontal damage to trigger the airbag crash sensor. scratched on the side and the shape of the A pillar, leaning towards the impact area, i think the car rolled... and at those speeds, i think the rider had a better chance of escaping death than the passenger or driver, as the ider would have gone over the car, and slid to a stop thurther down the road, albeit with some friction burns and maybe a broken bone or 2, if he was wearing leathers. my brother came of his bike on the putty road at 120Kph, with the only physical injury being a shattered shin bone where he hit the armco, apart from that, not even 1 scratch, though hie leathers and helmet were defiantly second hand.
Guest disperse Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place. but then again the front ALLOY wheel of the bike cut straight through the steel floor pan. and at that speed you would have your head down on the tank. as the bike didn't really slow down before going into the car...... he didn't have time to be thrown from the bike
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