mnewbery Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 https://www.miragenews.com/shire-supports-tyabb-2020-airshow/ sounds like the the begging of a monumental back pedal... It reminds me of the phrase, "in order to save the village we had to destroy it" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 MorPen press statement here. References a PAC announcement then refutes it https://www.mornpen.vic.gov.au/About-Us/News-Media-Publications/News-Media/Shire-supports-Tyabb-2020-Airshow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Report including statement from Jack Vevers regarding council (ahem) qualified support for Tyabb Airshow 2020 https://mailchi.mp/23fc352a7214/the-tyabb-flyer-week-ended-6-july-2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnewbery Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 http://www.australianflying.com.au/latest/tyabb-air-show-canceled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Pretty disgraceful state of affairs. that a long standing, proven, and valuable assett /facility can be compromised like this. Nev 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabiru7252 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Can't really comment because I'm not aware of the underlying issues. But, having said that it is a shame it's happened. I do know some councils behave the way they do simply out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 People get on the council with an agenda, Usually involving land and profit. (generalising, but pretty normal.).Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashley Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Disgraceful behavior by the council but typical of most councils at the moment our local council (latrobe city) wont let fallen trees and overgrown grass at the front of the airport be removed citing that is is native vegetation etc but are quiet happy to cut down native vegetation at the rear of the airfield to allow bike path to be constructed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabiru7252 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 The problem these days is we have too many folks in positions but lacking any qualifications to do their job. Tree-huggers, flat-earthers and herbivores taking over the world and making it hard for the rest of us.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Too true Jabiru..... if you're not a minority, you don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Unfortunately too many Council CEO's see aerodromes as a budget black hole (even if they are not). It would seem that it is politically more palatable to spend millions on new boat ramps, football ovals etc etc than to maintain vital infrastructure that may have a use once in a while eg fires and floods or medivac. Because as a group we prefer to stay away from the public glare it is easy for a noisy group to seem bigger than they really are an thus attract support within Councils. In addition do not underestimate the "wokeness" of lower order council employees who have their agendas looking for support. Politics breeds strange bedfellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Many salaries CEO etc are linked to rate revenue to GROWTH regardless is the Go if sensible people don't win the day. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 australians want local councils that avoid risk, closing airports is a part of that risk management strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 No we want councils to look after the council area and provide infrastructure and services. The risk stuff is often bulldust to cover the real agenda they have. Risk is code in many cases " we are negligent and know it, but instead of been good, we will restrict your wellbeing " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 councils job is to return a profit for the people that pay for the councillor's elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 councils job is to return a profit for the people that pay for the councillor's elections. No it's not, it's to carry out functions the property owners need, at cost, and split the cost up between all owners. The owners decide the functions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Parramatta council spent $5,million for a cycle path Less than 15 metre's from the road. (quiet road) Now want;s to put in a skateboard Or BMX track, But No toilet facilities. Too much "Rates collection", I think. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 The owners decide the functions. Which planet do you live on? Rarely do any consultation exercises ever result in changes that the ratepayers want. Agendas are always decided by the bureaucrats. Social engineering is at the core of local government activities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 No it's not, it's to carry out functions the property owners need, at cost, and split the cost up between all owners. The owners decide the functions. on paper that's how it works but why would a foreign company donate so much to our political parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just make up a big sign with the wording: No Airport? No Pilot No Worries Get to Bali as a back load on an asylum seeker boat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Which planet do you live on? Rarely do any consultation exercises ever result in changes that the ratepayers want. Agendas are always decided by the bureaucrats. Social engineering is at the core of local government activities. I live on Planet Earth, and the "planner" part of my tag relates to a few things I do now and again. What you're sprouting falls into the category of "Why should I do anything, they'll never listen to me" and unsurprisingly nothing in that category matters or is taken notice of or compells a Council to act differently. At their disposal the property owner has: Elections Access to Councillors both written and verbal Consultations Objections, submissions Press Rescissions Panel Hearings Legislation VCAT in Victoria, similar tribunals in every State. Ministerial call-ins State Government Upper House State Government Cabinet External Administrators Municipal Inspectors IBAC (different bodies in each State) Over the years I've used all of these checks and balances except the last three which usually leave irrepairable damage. ANY property owner in Australia has access to this formidable array. If the property owners want to set a policy for Council to follow, they can provided they have a compelling case or reasonable numbers. On the other hand, just looking at airfields for example, I worked with one person, we found a compelling reason a person should be prohibited from buying an airfield and the airfield was not sold, on another the RA aircraft changed their circuit pattern and the residents withdrew their action, on another couple compelling evidence was presented which stopped the Council in its tracks, on another couple, even though I provided bulletproof advice the airfields opted to "talk to the Councils", shot themselves in the foot and lost their airfields. FT - people donate to elected officials to get favours; they don't have to be foreign There are laws to prevent bribery, stacking votes, misrepresentation etc. and the success stories always occur in Councils where the ratepayers don't care enough to use even one of the checks and balances outlined above. In every one of those cases the law is set up so they can stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Since when are councils only about the ratepayers? No they are the 3 rd arm of government and are duty bound to the residents and others who enter a local gov. area. Yes they get rates but they also get funding from state and fed governments and non rate sources. We all have to vote and thus they are responsible to us the people. Not just those that own property. Its a democracy not a rateocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Since when are councils only about the ratepayers? No they are the 3 rd arm of government and are duty bound to the residents and others who enter a local gov. area. Yes they get rates but they also get funding from state and fed governments and non rate sources. We all have to vote and thus they are responsible to us the people. Not just those that own property. Its a democracy not a rateocracy. Yes, lessees, visitors and tourists can and do participate in some activities. If you want to do something about State and Federal funding, you need to go to the State or Federal Government who lay down the conditions of the grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 What you're sprouting falls into the category of "Why should I do anything, they'll never listen to me" and unsurprisingly nothing in that category matters or is taken notice of or compells a Council to act differently. Turbs, After hundreds of thousands dollars in court cases (all which we won), half a lifetime battling councils, getting the Act changed on more than one occasion, employees terminated, working within councils, making representations to all levels of government, in regular contact with local government Ministers (two of whom I count as friends) and a number of other things I am prevented by law to talk about, ANY impact I may have had has been temporary. The System merely shrugs and carries on as though nothing happened and victimizes me and mine at every turn. I appreciate that you have great faith in the system, but what others are saying here is borne out of a lived experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 If that's your lived experience I can recommend an old corporate adage: "If you always do what you always did you'll always get what you always got." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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