rgmwa Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Flying Binghi said: The Poms voted out Winston Churchill in 1945 after only 5 years in office... go figure... . Churchill didn’t then promptly claim he was treated very unfairly and try to overturn the election. Go figure. 1
Garfly Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 And as to the "at least Trump stood up to China" idea - a cartoonish OAN talking point - what does it even mean? Apart from his starting a ridiculous trade war that cost the US dearly. Yeah, Trump stood up to China in the same way that Michael Palin stood up to John Cleese in the Fish Slapping dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E 2 1
facthunter Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 Calling servicemen LOSERS and SUCKERS didn't happen either ?? I believe Mary Trump (his niece) who knows personally how the family runs and is qualified in Psychology and has gone into print. Nev
onetrack Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 Just taking Trump simply as an employer - not as the "Leader of the Free World" - he would have been sacked purely for his viciously abusive and denigrating behaviour to anyone under his control/employment. He sacked dozens of important people with vindictive viciousness, and abused and denigrated them, as he sacked them. All the sackings were based on the person disagreeing with Trump or his agenda to continually promote himself, his investments and his properties - against U.S. law. Many important people resigned just before they were viciously sacked. And we are talking about a wide range of areas these people held important positions in, including military, law enforcement, major govt depts - as well as important positions within his own Party. If you worked for someone like that, would you tolerate that kind of abuse and vicious vindictiveness, including unfair sacking, from your employer? If you did, you'd be a right idiot - and you didn't, you'd have a good claim for employee mistreatment and unfair dismissal. Great leaders are Statesmen and Stateswomen. They are above abusive behaviour, vindictiveness, petty politics, point-scoring, and childish "getting even" actions. Trumps poor behaviour in the greatest leadership position in the world, should have been a major embarrassment to the nation. His major tactics at all times was disruption and division, followed by a torrent of abuse and denigration. He's the nastiest piece of work I have seen in operation in a long time. 2 2
facthunter Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 All Mike Pences loyalty didn't do HIM any good in the end did it? Nev 1 1
biggles Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 Remember his con. to the US electors that “Mexico would pay for “the wall” “. The Mexican President said “No“ and that was that !! .....Bob 1
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Student Pilot said: Trump promoted violence, he would not support Pence who did what he had to. Pence was being hunted when the rabble invaded the congress, Trump took hours to make a public statement, that was only when he knew his insurrection had failed. Trump is a dangerous threat to democracy, his path is demockracy. His desire is to overthrow a legitimately elected government by any means. That isn't unusual in the US, it's full of nut cases. What is worrying is that some commentators in Australia give him support and promote his lies, the most worrying was our own PM who was sucking up to Trump. Our own PM has a good friend who is a conspiracy nut, Q Anon fruitloop. I would not say Trump is finished yet, he and his cronies are promoting a military take over. “Insurrection”...??? Not much of an insurrection. None of the people arrested had a gun. One unfortunate unarmed girl got shot dead by police... In a country where civilians own over 300,000,000 guns you’d think any self respecting insurrectionist would turn up with an M16 at the least... not wearing a set of buffalo horns....😂 . Edited June 14, 2021 by Flying Binghi
octave Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flying Binghi said: Not much of an insurrection. None of the people arrested had a gun. One unfortunate unarmed girl got shot dead by police... 5 people died including a policeman who was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher. The heart of government was stormed and the democratic process was temporally impeded. 2 1
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, rgmwa said: Churchill didn’t then promptly claim he was treated very unfairly and try to overturn the election. Go figure. I suppose Trump coulda hanged chad for it, or blamed the Russians. Instead he blamed the ‘other’ party and the media for his electoral loss..🤔 John Anderson has an interesting interview with Matt Taibbi re the problems with the ‘Go Woke, Go Broke’ US media. Via youtube: “Matt Taibbi | Stark critique of US media” .
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, octave said: 5 people died including a policeman who was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher. The heart of government was stormed and the democratic process was temporally impeded. Hmmm... Who died, and where did they die ? .
octave Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) What happened on that day was certainly not good for democracy and surely should be condemned. Edited June 14, 2021 by octave
Garfly Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Flying Binghi said: “Insurrection”...??? Not much of an insurrection. None of the people arrested had a gun. One unfortunate unarmed girl got shot dead by police... In a country where the civilians own over 300,000,000 guns you’d think any self respecting insurrectionist would turn up with an M16 at the least... not wearing a set of buffalo horns....😂 . True enough, being a Trump organised insurrection it wasn't much of one. Just like the Mexico wall was not much of one and neither was the US Covid response. Luckily, open carry of firearms and the possession of assault weapons is banned in Washington DC. If it were otherwise - as in many states - the day would have been much bloodier. 1 2
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, octave said: What happened on that day was certainly not good for democracy and surely should be condemned. Hmmm... As for the claimed fire extinguisher death... U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick suffered two strokes and died of natural causes the day after he confronted rioters during the Jan. 6 insurrection, according to Washington's top medical examiner. The chief medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, said Monday that an autopsy of Sicknick found no evidence the 42-year-old suffered an allergic reaction to chemical irritants. Diaz ruled the Sicknick, 42, died from "acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis." https://www.foxnews.com/us/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-cause-of-death-natural-causes-capitol-riot-examiner .
Garfly Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 Talk about straining at gnats and swallowing camels. Sheesh!
octave Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 So you have no problem with the storming of the Capitol building? Trump lost. Usually the person who loses does so with dignity and humility. Trump and his supporters should dry their eyes and focus on the future rather than trying to rewrite the past. 3 2
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Garfly said: True enough, being a Trump organised insurrection it wasn't much of one. Just like the Mexico wall was not much of one and neither was the US Covid response. Luckily, open carry of firearms and the possession of assault weapons is banned in Washington DC. If it were otherwise - as in many states - the day would have been much bloodier. ........um, 🤔........🤨............😂 . 1
Flying Binghi Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, octave said: So you have no problem with the storming of the Capitol building? Trump lost. Usually the person who loses does so with dignity and humility. Trump and his supporters should dry their eyes and focus on the future rather than trying to rewrite the past. “Storming”.......? Some drunk guy wearing a set of buffalo horns breaks in and steals Pelosi’s lectern and it is called Storming..😂 If thats a ‘storming’ then what would your descriptor be for the D-Day landings? ....at any rate, the days events are very concerning to me. For one, how is it that the autopsy results of the actual cause of the police officers death were not released immediately to dispel the fire extinguisher attack claims ? Many would like to know... (Washington, DC) Judicial Watch announced today that it has filed a District of Columbia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit in the District of Columbia Superior Court against the District of Columbia for the autopsy of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick and related records. (Judicial Watch v. District of Columbia (No. 2021 CA 000875 B)). The lawsuit was filed after the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) of the District of Columbia denied Judicial Watch’s February 16, 2021 FOIA request for: All records, including but not limited to autopsy reports, toxicology reports, notes, photographs, and OCME officials’ electronic communications, related to the death on Jan. 6, 2021 of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick and its related investigation. Initial reports from the New York Times and other media outlets about the cause of Office Sicknick’s death have subsequently been corrected and revised. “The unusual and unlawful secrecy about Officer Sicknick’s death investigation undermines public confidence in the fair administration of justice,” stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. Judicial Watch also recently filed lawsuits for US Capitol Police emails and video related to the riotand for Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s communications with the Pentagon in the days after the January 6thincident. https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/brian-sicknick/ . Edited June 14, 2021 by Flying Binghi
biggles Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 ‘Psychology Today’ (Paraphased) Narcissistic personality disorder exists on a spectrum the more severe pole of which is sociopathy or what I have previously termed psychopathic narcissism—is one of the more popular and predominant diagnoses attributed to Donald Trump by mental health professionals in the book, and by others who have observed his behavior both before and during his presidency. What makes the narcissistic personality so irresistibly attractive to certain people? What renders some individuals especially susceptible to the narcissist's considerable charms? And why do those who fall under the narcissist's spell, support whatever he or she says or does without question? Pathological or malignant narcissism is something that manifests by a matter of degree, ranging from the relatively harmless narcissism of self-absorption and self-aggrandisation to the extreme toxic narcissism of the predatory psychopathic narcissist. Narcissists, who not unlike psychopaths or sociopaths, know how to effectively manipulate people through flattery, lying, conning, and deception, can be legendarily charming, making them highly attractive to adoring others. Narcissists desperately need such adulation from others, and go to great lengths to incessantly seek such "narcissistic supplies." And those that actively adore them, fulfilling and feeding the narcissist's insatiable appetite for attention and adulation, need the narcissist as much as the narcissist needs them. It is a symbiotic relationship...... Bob article continues afte 2
RFguy Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) Trump was a joke. Anyone who supports him is deluded, and in my opinion, is not to be trusted with judgement. Certainly those left behind by marching automation etc have a right to feel unloved but there are democratic processes to sort it out. Trump's example sent democratic societies and institutions back world wide . Disgusting. Long term damage to life and the free world as we know it. Glen. (I am a US citizen and vote) Edited June 14, 2021 by RFguy 3 3
octave Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Flying Binghi said: “Storming”.......? So what word would you be more comfortable using? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEEMB0c5So Hang Mike Pence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1zP1xP63g 1
rgmwa Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Flying Binghi said: I suppose Trump coulda hanged chad for it, or blamed the Russians. Instead he blamed the ‘other’ party and the media for his electoral loss..🤔 Yes, with Trump it's always somebody else's fault. 1
kgwilson Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Flying Binghi said: The Poms voted out Winston Churchill in 1945 after only 5 years in office... go figure... . The reasons Churchill lost in 1945 are very well documented. As a wartime leader he was unsurpassed. His oratory skills are legendary and his speeches galvanised a nation even if he was a cigar smoking pisshead. His approval rating at the time of the election was 83% and never fell below 78% the whole time he was PM. But the war was over, Britain was broke and wartime leaders were no longer required. What was needed was support for a population devastated by the ravages of 5 years of war. The country needed rebuilding and labours policies directly supported that and more so they won in a landslide. 2 3
Student Pilot Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 People who pretend to support Trump are just trolling, nobody could be that stupid. 4 2 1 1
kgwilson Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Student Pilot said: People who pretend to support Trump are just trolling, nobody could be that stupid. It may come as a surprise but there are a lot of really stupid people around. 1
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