Thruster88 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 We have cracked the 13000 member's which is great and a lot of flying is happening at 175 hours per year for each ac. Aircraft numbers are declining, new sales not keeping with the old ones dropping out I guess. Welcome Membership Type: Flying Member Aircraft Registration Type: 25-0400 Full Registration Member Number: 002990 Name: Mr Stuart Andrew Wass HF PAX X Stats Since 1 January 2019 RAAus pilots have recorded in their portal that they have flown 581832.7 hours, averaging 60.92 hours each. Your average flying hours per year over the past five years is 26. You are an integral part of the 13052 strong RAAus community. There are currently 3311 active aircraft in the RAAus fleet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I find the stats really hard to believe. I fly about 50 hrs a year & most aircraft around here fly a lot less other than the flying school. The system has ignored my GA experience which I originally loaded & shows I have an average of 1.8 hours over the last 5 years which is complete rubbish. I enter my hours annually when I renew my membership in July. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Perhaps the stats are produced to reflect only the amount of flying that is done in RAAus aircraft by RAAus certificate holders. I can't see anything wrong with stats being reported in that way. For example, my motor vehicle driving is in two classes, private and professional. Add them together to get my total exposure to the road environment, but report them separately to show the difference between operating environments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 "13,000 RA-Aus members" Easy to create membership when it`s compulsory if you want to fly!!! Interesting to know the average age of the membership! I`ve just taken a look on the RA-Aus web site and couldn`t find anything on it...I`ll be 72 on the first of January. Is it any wonder that new aircraft sales aren`t keeping up to those dropping out when the purchase price of most new LSA wold be over $100K! Enjoy your flying Guys, if you can still keep it up. Franco. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Without saying that there is a conspiracy afoot, it is in the ASAO's interest to report high flying hours numbers so the accident rate ( fatalaties etc/ 1xxxx flying hours) is less. If you think the RAAus numbers are humbug take a look at the hours reported by the gliding fraternity to the BITRE which do not stand critical examination. Of the nearly 1300 registered gliders nearly have do not have annuals (derived from GFA accounts) done which means the fleet averaged nearly 100 hours per aircraft. Taking into account weather, the seasonal nature of gliding and the need for support for launches (except for SLG), the dormant nature of many clubs the reported stats can only be described as bunkum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I’m not surprised at the RAA figures because they match what I’m seeing out and about. One Moorabbin based flying school has over 30 Foxbat/Vixen on the line and that may be more than Bob Stillwell’s Civil training fleet from the GA heyday. Lot of training = more average hours per aircraft also. RAA May have started to shift from owner/operators to the more conventional aircraft hire. For these people around an hour a week is the most they can afford/make time for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Even tho they dismissed 15,ish aircraft & pilot out of hand. Not big enough , spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 If an instructor and student are flying, is the RAA counting both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 If an instructor and student are flying, is the RAA counting both? Pilot total hours should equal aircraft hours☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 One Moorabbin based flying school has over 30 Foxbat/Vixen on the line and that may be more than Bob Stillwell’s Civil training fleet from the GA heyday. But are the students flying 60+ hours per annum each? see post #1 which is about members hours not aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just read my hours profile is 163 hrs in last 5 years = 10.6 hrs. (I must have attended the wrong maths class.) Thought maybe 32 hrs is closed. I believe they should include in the total aircraft hours but life sows us that stats are there to be used / abused. (Perhaps to mislead) Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Student & instructor. Only ONE PIC. spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 There is no match up or cross reference between pilot hours and aircraft hours in the RAA system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 If an instructor and student are flying, is the RAA counting both? The way it is written yes they would be, they would also gain some extra from pilots flying VH as well who understandably may not go thru their log book line by line. Last year I was average with my 25 raa hours so training must be really ramping up. Straight aircraft hours are reported for rego renewal and this number should be used for statistical accident trends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 But are the students flying 60+ hours per annum each? see post #1 which is about members hours not aircraft. Some students 1 lesson per week, others 2 or 3, so 60 hours is right in the ballpark. Bob Stillwel, should read Bib Stillwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT5224 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I have always thought the system of logging hours on the RAA website was rather hit and miss. I have flown up to 60 hours a year, but my average for the last five years is still given as '0'. Alan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McDowall Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Some students 1 lesson per week, others 2 or 3, so 60 hours is right in the ballpark. Typically students do about 40 hrs in RAAus then move on to VH over a 12-14mth course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Hi Jim, Any pics of your Hummel Cruiser ?. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Is it any wonder that new aircraft sales aren`t keeping up to those dropping out when the purchase price of most new LSA wold be over $100K! No, LSA is cheap flying, didn't you get the memo ....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Aircraft hours are provided separately, but when you are dual BOTH pilots log flying time but only one (the instructor) as PIC. There are exceptions when line training and it's logged as "in Command (under supervision)" so is included in the IN COMMAND times. That makes sense if you think about it. The "Confusion" leaves a lot of room for fudging the stats. but clearly aircraft HOURS would be the total of the aircrafts log book hours flown, even then there is a variant .Some have leg/ airspeed switches and only in flight times go in the airframe log. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 if your hours don't work out, get online and fix it Can even edit historical data if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Did that. Stats stayed the same. Gave up. Don't care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 There are LIES, DAMNED LIES and STATISTICS and it will ever be so. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 PR department not using current data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT5224 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 if your hours don't work out, get online and fix it Can even edit historical data if you like Yes me too. Tried to edit my own hours online several times. Always comes back as 'zero' average for five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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