red750 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Federal transportation safety investigators said that Boeing should redesign the engine housing on its 737 New Generation (NG) planes, following a deadly catastrophe on Southwest flight 1380 in April of last year. There are about 7,000 737 NG planes that have been delivered to customers since the plane type was introduced in the late-1990s. The NTSB called on Boeing and the plane’s operators to retrofit all existing planes with the newly designed part. Read more here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 I'm surprised that this hasn't been raised on this forum, although it is a recreational flying forum, but we have had a lot to say about Boeing. While they still have the 737 Max grounded, their space crew shuttle Starliner failed to achieve the correct orbit on an unmanned test flight, and was unable to dock with the ISS. Boeing CEO says that if it had a crew on board, they could have taken over and corrrected the Starliner's course. Read more here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 that if it had a crew on board, they could have taken over and corrrected the Starliner's course. That idea didn't seem to work on the 737max...... the irony... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 737 Max now has Boeing reporting that there is a wiring problem, which could also apply to other 737 aircraft. Two bundles of wires controlling the tail are too close together, with a chance of shorting between them. What sort of insulation are they using? The fix is supposedly not too onerous, just fit an extra bracket, taking a couple of hours per plane. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to when the 737 Max will fly again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I said it would take a while a while ago but that doesn't mean the time has arrived. It still has a while to go . It;s obviously not just a software fix or training the pilots. The plane itself has stability issues and quality control issues. Boeing's reputation is, if not lost, sorely tested. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Boeing CEO says that if it had a crew on board, they could have taken over and corrrected the Starliner's course And this, after he was quoted as saying that we needed to consider no flight crews in a November interview. Do they really think these opposite comments are helping their credibility? happy days, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Boeing don't seem to know where they are going.. The "no crew" thing has been around for a while. Nothing new there. I've NO sympathy for the Company or it's shareholders. What they did was deliberate, being done for quite a while and motivated purely for profit. Where's the profit heading now? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to when the 737 Max will fly again? Probably never. They'll call it something else and hope the passengers don't notice where they painted over the old name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yampy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Probably never. They'll call it something else and hope the passengers don't notice where they painted over the old name. It’s already started . Ryanair has 737 MAX aircraft sitting at the factory with the MAX titles replaced by 737-8200 . The vast majority of boarding passengers wouldn’t know what they were getting on anyway . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 And now the Ukraine Air Iranian crash. Nothing to do with the Max and probably nothing to do with the aircrafts integrity but still not good news for Boeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Most likely totally unrelated to the Current Boeing issues.. The plane involved is only 3 years old and is a trouble free version operating OK world wide. The engine MIGHT be under scrutiny.( Just might , I don't say IS.) Boeing don't make the engines which are probably used on other makes as well.. Most engine failures don't bring down a plane . (but one could). Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenisPC9 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Boeing don't seem to know where they are going.. The "no crew" thing has been around for a while. Nothing new there. I've NO sympathy for the Company or it's shareholders. What they did was deliberate, being done for quite a while and motivated purely for profit. Where's the profit heading now? Nev My take is that they have mentally reached the stage of "Too big to fail". For a long time they appeared to have the FAA and DoD in their pocket. That would breed a certain amount of hubris. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Pilot Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Boeing will get rewarded for it's bad behaviour just like banks did in the last world financial crisis. Trumpf will step in and bail them out, one hand on the bible will make it all OK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 They will probably make buying Airbus, (UN American). They did everything possible to try to bugger Concorde.. nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Boeing said originally that crews changing from earlier models to the Max would not need simulator training. The have changed their tune now after playing with the computer program and doing all sort of other things, they say simulator time will be necessary. It just looks like anything else coming out of USA, a means to make money and who cares what happens to those paying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 I happened to be watching an episode of the US TV show, The Daily Show, with Trevor Noah. a satirical look at the news. It happened to be a rerun of an episode from a week or so before the start of Trump's impeachment trial. One of the items discussed was the release of more than 100 pages of emails from Boeing staff. One email said the 737 Max was an aircraft "built by clowns, supervised by monkeys". Another from a test pilot who said "I can't see the FAA certifying this turd." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 And now after volunteering to check aircraft already built but carparked they discover fuel tanks full of debris. Metal shavings, tools, and probably dead cats. And not just one but a large undisclosed number. Given these were built after the crashes and grounding, and should have been inspected in production..........if they can't build right after grounding, how the hell can you trust them. Even when under max scrutiny they still fuck it up. Ah the fun is just started. Toulouse must be popping champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Before the excrement hit the fan and scattered far and wide such discoveries would have been covered up and details not recorded. Now there are too many eyes looking and too many arses that need covering. The attitude is similar to brokers going in to Detroit slums before the GFC & giving sub prime mortgages to unemployed African and Hispanic Americans sitting on apple boxes watching TV. There was no conscience and the only driver was greed. They knew the new owners of their previously rented slum would default but they got their commission & the lender would get their money from the mortgagee sale. It worked until the inevitable crash. The Yanks never learn from history. GM filed for bankruptcy, got bailed by the government & got rid of all the unprofitable brands when the subsidies they were getting from foreign governments dried up. Anyone remember Holden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The attitude is similar to brokers going in to Detroit slums before the GFC & giving sub prime mortgages to unemployed African and Hispanic Americans sitting on apple boxes watching TV. There was no conscience and the only driver was greed. They knew the new owners of their previously rented slum would default but they got their commission & the lender would get their money from the mortgagee sale. It worked until the inevitable crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 THEY sold DEBT as if it was actual money and the rising value of the Property would provide a profit if one couldn't meet the payments. What's not to like, Boy? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Ah the fun is just started. Toulouse must be popping champagne. Ah the fun is just started. Toulouse must be popping champagne. Airbus might be working on their own issues, I think they have been very lucky with this lack of engineering foresight. https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/spills-prompt-liquids-ad-on-a350s/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Shades of the 1964 film, "Fate is the Hunter"! Ernest K. Gann was reported as being so disappointed with the film based on his book, that he demanded his name be removed from the credits. But he failed to realise the film would go on to be played repeatedly on TV, and the removal of his name deprived him of substantial income from the TV re-runs. The rather unbelievable design of the aircraft in the film was apparently because no aircraft manufacturer would co-operate with the making of the film, and no manufacturer wanted any of their designs to be displayed in the film. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 The JET a the end is just a poor mock up. Most of the earlier and tarmac pictures use a DC-4 /C-54. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Airbus might be working on their own issues, I think they have been very lucky with this lack of engineering foresight. https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/spills-prompt-liquids-ad-on-a350s/ Seems to be a problem these days......The necessity of making directives prohibiting what should be very obvious. I bet any of these clowns wouldn't spill stuff on their gaming console. That said, I recall trying to trouble shoot a negative release of a 2000lb GBU from an F111. No fault was found anywhere. Multiple components were changed out in order to cover our bases. The answer came weeks later when the weapons control panel was opened for maintenance in the avionics workshop and found to be full of a sticky brown substance. It was only then the the crew thought to mention that the co-pilot had spilled chocolate milk on the weapons control panel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Yep, long long ago I worked for Honeywell in London, maintaining mainframes. One of our clients was a large brewery, and the policy was that they had a tap room anyone could go to whenever, but nobody was allowed to be pissed: sounds reasonable until you actually try to do it. And we were regularly replacing the keyboard PCB in the operator console, which apparently got sticky by association, or osmosis, or some mysterious process of spatial fluid transfer. Back then we carried big tool kits exactly like the big old leather flight cases, and one of our guys got fired for emptying his tools out and trying to smuggle flagons out of that same site. Amazing the lengths some folk will go to for a free beer............ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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