Aeroclub website - what a joke.

[flying dog]

Folks,

 

Sorry if this sounds un-friendly but it is beyond a joke.

 

A LONG LONG time ago I joined and had all sorts of trouble JOINING.

 

After all that stuff, I stayed with them for a while.

 

Then I decided to leave.

 

I "unsubscribed" from them and I thought all was good.

 

I wasn't getting e-mails from them.

 

Now, suddenly, I am getting them again, and when I try to send an e-mail to them, it comes back "unknown user".

 

There are NO contact details on the site or means to get off their list.

 

If "you" are thinking of joing them, I would strongly urge you not to as the site is poorly maintained - from experiance - and I have spoken to others who say they have tried many times to get events listed and fail to.

 

So really it is not a very good site.

 

 

[old man emu]

What site is that?

 

OME

 

 

[flying dog]

OME, it is a site - aeroclub.com.au - who suck you in and then annoy you.

 

The site is not maintained, there is no CONTACT details. Unless you are a MEMBER you can't send e-mails.

 

They do NOT remove you from their mailing list when you explisitly tell them to.

 

I have learned that they are in breach of an ACMA rule - http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_310369

 

And I would advise you to avoid them like the plague.

 

 

[skeptic36]

F.D

 

I use Thunderbird, and although I have never done it, you can go into tools, message filters, and then set it too delete all messages from a source.

 

Regards Bill

 

 

[flying dog]

Yeah Skeptic, but I am warning other people to save them the annoyance of actually being "sucked in to that situation".

 

 

[Head in the clouds]

I don't know what the problem is, I've always found it to be a very useful site, lists all the fly-ins that anyone wants to post on it, shows maps of the area, links to accommodation, cost of entry to events. As for not being updated, well in the past years it's been the first way I found out about any cancellations - The Great Eastern for example. You can visit the site as a guest and see all the fly-in info, or join as a member and have any changes to 'watched' events emailed to you, just like this site.

 

Not long ago someone was asking on this site whether there was anything happening with flyins in SEQld in the next couple of months, a quick check of Aeroclub would have shown the three or four... Are we talking about the same site? You can have a look without having to register so there's no reason why you'd get any email unless you request it. And, just in case anyone is wondering, no, I have nothing to do with them, don't know the site owner, no vested interest etc, just always found the site great! Have a look, see what you think before condemning it on one person's say so - Aeroclub

 

PS - as for not being able to contact them, look at top right of the page, just click 'Contact' and send them an email...

 

 

[Admin]

What we need here is someone to put their hand up and volunteer to add events that they can find into the Recreational Flying Event Calendar...they then appear for 14 days prior to the event on the site home page and across the top of the Trips/Events/Spare Seats Forum for everyone to know about...the Event System here also has a RSVP system included in it so site users can see who else from here is attending and you can arrange to meet up by conversing in the site PM system. Every time you add an event you can also have it automatically create a forum thread for the event as well, that way you can discuss the event and then after the event, post outcomes of the event like pictures etc etc etc etc etc.

 

There really is a lot on offer to everyone here at Recreational Flying...anyone want to have the title of the site Events Manager??????????????...then please put your hand up

 

 

[flying dog]

I don't know what the problem is, I've always found it to be a very useful site, lists all the fly-ins that anyone wants to post on it, shows maps of the area, links to accommodation, cost of entry to events. As for not being updated, well in the past years it's been the first way I found out about any cancellations - The Great Eastern for example. You can visit the site as a guest and see all the fly-in info, or join as a member and have any changes to 'watched' events emailed to you, just like this site.

Not long ago someone was asking on this site whether there was anything happening with flyins in SEQld in the next couple of months, a quick check of Aeroclub would have shown the three or four... Are we talking about the same site? You can have a look without having to register so there's no reason why you'd get any email unless you request it. And, just in case anyone is wondering, no, I have nothing to do with them, don't know the site owner, no vested interest etc, just always found the site great! Have a look, see what you think before condemning it on one person's say so - Aeroclub

 

PS - as for not being able to contact them, look at top right of the page, just click 'Contact' and send them an email...

 

The following message to <[email protected]> was undeliverable.

 

The reason for the problem:

 

5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown'

 

Final-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected]

 

Action: failed

 

Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure)

 

Remote-MTA: dns; [203.132.28.12]

 

Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown' (delivery attempts: 0)

 

Kinda kills that idea doesn't it.

 

 

[billwoodmason]

After trying to subscribe to "aero club" 18 months or so ago I gave up but last week I started to receive emails from them re upcoming events. Not complaining because that's what I wanted in the first place - but it's odd after all this time.

 

 

[flying dog]

Yeah, Bill, but now they "have you".

 

You will be unable to stop them arriving now. A bit like Micky Mouse in Fantasia with the broom sticks and the water buckets.

 

I have been where you are now.

 

I had enough and thought I had myself removed from their database.

 

I was wrong.

 

So: Anyone wanting to indluge them with your details, beware that once they have them, they won't stop sending you stuff.

 

 

[djpacro]

I used to find Aeroclub.com.au useful some years ago and I agree that it seems to have fizzled out somewhat. I also have been receiving emails again just recently.

 

I suggest that you use their online contact form to get them to remove you from their database (and add advice to emails on how to unsubscribe).

 

http://www.aeroclub.com.au/contact/

 

 

[flying dog]

ACMA are dealing with it now.

 

As posted earlier (the link) the site is in breach of the rules.

 

I have tried to opt out and it doesn't seem to work.

 

I posted what I got back when I tried to e-mail them.

 

 

[billwoodmason]

Ian, re your events calendar, I think 14 days prior notice to an event is not enough. When planning to fly to an event I usually start thinking about where I am going to attend about a month prior, particularly if it's an overnighter or a weekend away. Just sayin.

 

 

[Admin]

Ian, re your events calendar, I think 14 days prior notice to an event is not enough. When planning to fly to an event I usually start thinking about where I am going to attend about a month prior, particularly if it's an overnighter or a weekend away. Just sayin.

Understand...ALL events are in the calendar so you can see them way ahead if they are added...the 14 days display ones are to let users know of the upcoming event and as a reminder for those that already know about it...on one hand as much notice as possible would be good but on the other, don't want to saturate the top of the Events forum with loads of entries way in advance, entries that you may not be interested in or due to distance can't attend. I think it would be a decision that the Events Manager could decide, if anyone wants to put their hand up, to keep a balance of forward time vs crowded list of events

 

 

[flying dog]

Ian,

 

I think your "system" that is here is quite adaquate.

 

The site I am mentioning is hap-hazard and not kept up to date - despite what people may say.

 

You said someone needs to take it on and handle it all, etc.

 

Honestly, what is here is very good, as it is self controlling. People post things with upcoming events and dates.

 

The more notice the better, but it seems to work. So I would ask: Why change it?

 

 

[Admin]

So I would ask: Why change it?

Not trying to change it FD, just trying to improve it with more entries of events...I just don't have the time to keep adding events into it...Cap't use to once a month add all the upcoming month's events into it which was fantastic however he became busy with work so it just needs someone who can spend a moment each month seeking out all aviation events that are coming up, aeroclub.com.au is one source, and simply add them into the events calendar for everyone...naturally the more events site users can also add to it the better for everyone not to mention the extra exposure their event would get not just to registered site users but also visiting guests, google search bots etc

 

 

[flying dog]

Ian,

 

Sorry that wasn't meant as a "put down". Just I remember reading someone (maybe you) saying something about something.

 

(7600)

 

Allowing people to add events to the "list" with dates/locations is THEIR responsibility.

 

It shouldn't fall on you to keep it up to date.

 

Like that, it looks after itself and it lightens your workload not having to administer things.

 

There shouldn't be ONE PERSON responsible. I guess a bit like the 'net.

 

Each person puts in their part. If one person goofs, then no big.

 

But if ONE person is responsible, and they goof, everyone suffers.

 

 

[Admin]

Ian, Sorry that wasn't meant as a "put down".

Wasn't taken as a put down Mate ...it would be good if we could get more events in there for everyone

 

 

[Head in the clouds]

The following message to <[email protected]> was undeliverable.The reason for the problem:

 

5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown'

 

Final-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected]

 

Action: failed

 

Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure)

 

Remote-MTA: dns; [203.132.28.12]

 

Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 <[email protected]>... User unknown' (delivery attempts: 0)

 

Kinda kills that idea doesn't it.

I don't think it kills it, no...

 

You're responding to the email address they use for sending out the emailed details of upcoming events to you. Usually bulk emails like those use an unattended address and have a notice saying something like "Please do not reply to this email blah blah".

 

If you want to contact someone on a site you need to use the 'Contact' button. In Aeroclub's case it is at the top right and also bottom centre of all pages.

 

Just to check it I sent them an email using the Contact button and it sent quite correctly and also sent a copy to my Inbox and says I will receive a reply shortly. The email address for contacting them via the Contact button is quite different from the one you sent to, which they use for mailing out. Their Contact email address is - [email protected]

 

You could send them an email to that address and ask to be removed from their mailing list.

 

Hope it helps, Alan

 

 

[flying dog]

Yeah, but I'll leave it now to ACMA.

 

I don't want to have launched an attack only to rescind it shortly there after.

 

I have had a LOT of problems with this site. The idea of posting was - as stated - to warm people of the danger of going there and giving them your details.

 

They don't respect you telling them to get you off their list.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Yea, Ive had no problems. But then again, I like CONTACT buttons, they are meant for stupid people like me to be able to follow.:)

 

 

[Jabiru Phil]

Me too.

 

Great site for upcoming events that are not that I know of available elsewhere

 

Like others I have not had any reminders until recently which reminded me to include the Loxton flyin on the 13 th April.

 

I Emailed and they included next time I looked.

 

I have NEVER received any emails other than reminders of upcoming events

 

Hope you sort out your problem.

 

Phil