Should we go to Oshkosh?

[pmccarthy]

Tickets and accommodation booked. Much anticipation. But the advice now is to avoid overseas travel if you are over 60. Will this be all over or much worse for a trip to the USA in July?

[turboplanner]

Tickets and accommodation booked. Much anticipation. But the advice now is to avoid overseas travel if you are over 60. Will this be all over or much worse for a trip to the USA in July?

I'd talk to Vic Health department; the News media have started to sense they can be important again after their bushfire days of glory.

Already there's a set of symptoms circulating on spcial media that's been branded as fake and while one report has said that the Chinese have begun to reduce the numbers, others are crowing that we've seen nothing yet.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/push-this-virus-back-who-urges-maximum-effort-to-counter-covid-19-20200306-p547ed.html

Edited March 5, 2020 by turboplanner

[Bruce Tuncks]

I'd talk to the travel insurance lot. Will they be able to not pay out with this travel advice notice? Apparently the US is a very expensive place to need medical services, and the first thing you are asked is about your insurance.

Having said that, I sure would be reluctant to cancel the trip.

[kgwilson]

I'd wait and see. The media hype is now at the point of almost complete hysteria. We are supposed to be the intelligent species but going on the pathetic toilet paper grab a lot of us are about as smart as sheep.

 

So far there are about 95,000 cases of Covid-19, lets call it 100,000. That is 0.001% of the worlds 7.8 billion inhabitants. Symptoms in most people are mild or non existent & those who get really sick are normally old (over 80) with pre-existing conditions such as very high blood pressure and respiratory problems. The death toll is about 3.2% of cases & is around 3,200 world wide. The Flu kills about 400,000 people each year and no-one even cares.

[facthunter]

We have vaccines for the flu and have lived with it's changes for many years now. No one knows when a vaccine will be "found" for this new virus that has only been in humans for 3 months so it's final effect is not predictable with accuracy.. It's pretty likely that most health systems could be overwhelmed easily. Lots of people are cancelling their trips even though that entails a big loss , it's a lot less than many possible situations might cost if you get isolated somewhere.. Being here is probably the best place at the moment. Nev

[kgwilson]

Vaccines only work for the strain they are created for. In the 2018-19 season 80% of all Flu vaccine injections were ineffective.

[facthunter]

That was an unusual outcome and a failure. to a great extent. The point is we have NO vaccine at all for this particular virus and when we do it has to be available for a lot of people so it's not going to be tomorrow or any time one can state with any certainty, now. Nev

[APenNameAndThatA]

I would try and get my money back. If you can't, then wait and see.

[Roscoe]

Tickets and accommodation booked. Much anticipation. But the advice now is to avoid overseas travel if you are over 60. Will this be all over or much worse for a trip to the USA in July?

Its 4 months away!

Just watch the news and make a decision in the light of facts, not hysteria

[onetrack]

The news is that many travel insurance policies are becoming virtually useless, as insurance companies are starting to advise that "pandemic" and "epidemic" non-payment clauses in policies will be applied to any health-related claims - even if there was no pandemic or epidemic declared, when you took out the policy.

I'd have to advise that the conservative approach for travel to the U.S. in the next few months, with the current outlook, is to not go - particularly if you find your travel insurance then refuses to pay out on any costs associated with contracting the virus, or even just being quarantined due to it. Knowing how horrendous U.S. health costs are, you could end up with a very expensive trip.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-insurance-exclusion-confusion/12027638

[Downunder]

The Flu kills about 400,000 people each year and no-one even cares

As long as it's not you or your relatives of course...

[octave]

Why Some COVID-19 Cases Are Worse than Others

 

The latest data from China stem from an analysis of nearly 45,000 confirmed cases, and on the whole suggest that the people most likely to develop severe forms of COVID-19 are those with pre-existing illnesses and the elderly.

 

While less than 1 percent of people who were otherwise healthy died from the disease, the fatality rate for people with cardiovascular disease was 10.5 percent. That figure was 7.3 percent for diabetes patients and around 6 percent for those with chronic respiratory disease, hypertension, or cancer.

 

While overall, 2.3 percent of known cases proved fatal—which many experts say is likely an overestimate of the mortality rate, given that many mild cases might go undiagnosed—patients 80 years or older were most at risk, with 14.8 percent of them dying. Deaths occurred in every age group except in children under the age of nine, and, generally speaking, “we see relatively few cases among children,” World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said last week.

 

This pattern of increasing severity with age differs from that of some other viral outbreaks, notably the 1918 flu pandemic, for which mortality was high in young children and in people between 20 and 40 years of age. However, it’s broadly consistent with records of the SARS and MERS coronavirus outbreaks, notes Lisa Gralinski, a virologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “If you’re over fifty or sixty and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad,” she says.

[Bruce Tuncks]

After reading onetrack's stuff, it is clear that the insurance angle is worse than I thought.

I wonder how safe you can be if you take all reasonable precautions.

[Downunder]

[Guest Machtuk]

I was looking at booking/going this year but nope, too much hysteria and Ins Co's are dodgy at best! There's always ne tvyear??

[Thruster88]

At this time I would still go but who knows what will be happening in July. I had a nice holiday in Vietnam returning 2 weeks ago, it was a concern.

[pmccarthy]

There is definitely no insurance available at any cost. It seems two weeks in hospital in USA might cost $100,000.

[old man emu]

pmccarthy has posted in another thread that his Brisbane-Chicago flight has been cancelled by QANTAS. Looks like 2020 will be the year people stay at home.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/10/qantas-slashes-flights-as-coronavirus-hits-passenger-numbers

Edited March 12, 2020 by old man emu

[spacesailor]

Spend up big here in Australia.

Take your friends on trips with a hired mini-bus.

BUT

Disinfect well.LoL.

spacesailor

[Bruce Tuncks]

I think the cancellation by Quantas means that pmc will get a refund. I sure hope so.

[old man emu]

Spend up big here in Australia. Take your friends on trips with a hired mini-bus.

 

I was going to say That I'm a mini-bus driver and could take a group for a trip to Temora Aviation Museum, but guess what!

 

https://aviationmuseum.com.au/event/march-2020-aircraft-showcase/

 

COVID-19 (Coronavirus) update. Unfortunately due to recommendations from the Australian Government advising against non-essential organised gatherings of 500 or more people from Monday 16th March, we regret to inform you that the March 21 Showcase has been cancelled.

 

The Temora Aviation Museum does not accept any liability for cancellation or alterations to published display content or programs.

[turboplanner]

National Cabinet of Prime Minister and State Premiers formed today, will meet weekly, so things will clarify faster from now on.

[Methusala]

Meanwhile, Prime Minister refuses test following news that his cabinet colleague Dutton has tested positive for coronavirus. How irresponsible!

[turboplanner]

Meanwhile, Prime Minister refuses test following news that his cabinet colleague Dutton has tested positive for coronavirus. How irresponsible!

Catch up with the current protocol for testing.

[Methusala]

So, this disease is not communicable, yeah? Or is the PM immaculate. Look up *Leader* in the dictionary.