How has COVID 19 affected your flying or intended flying

[Student Pilot]

Now is not the time for playing politics.

True enough but...............................................it has been said a lot, a device to stymie any criticism. You keep saying it and it becomes a cry wolf situation.

Look at the North American model of how not to tell the truth and use everything for your own (And your mates) monitory reward..............now is not the time to criticize/for the good of the nation/don't listen to them it's fake news.

At least our federal opposition are working with the government in a bipartisan way.

[Guest Machtuk]

I don't see any reason why pleasure flying like pleasure boating and other such activities cannot be enjoyed? The whole thing is now out of control, not so much the virus but the hysteria fear & panic! I stood in the queue today at the supermarket, dozens of people in very close proximity, all legal, it's just shear madness what the Govt is doing, destroying our economy!

[turboplanner]

CONSPIRICY ,!

If 100,000 die, mostly elderly ( war-babies ), and their children ,mostly pensioners.

The government will not have to pay that poverty pension, as the following generations will be super-annuants.

SO IT SEEMS IT IS A CONSPIRICY.

spacesailor

Peoples parents and grandparents have started to die and that is about to increase exponentially. There is no conspiracy.

[onetrack]

There's no hysteria, fear or panic that I can see in everyday life - perhaps in the news media, if you want to read that on a constant basis. They specialise in ramping up problems to hysterical levels, it helps sell their sites and newspapers.

 

But the bottom line is, this virus is a serious threat to our way of life, and serious steps are needed to stop it. We are fortunate to have people in authority who are prepared to act to limit the spread of the virus.

It is spread by a lack of population movement control, and a careless approach to its seriousness. We are fortunate, in that our infection rate is very low in comparison to the U.S., the U.K. and many European countries.

The reason for this, is all those last-mentioned countries were casual in their approach to the seriousness of the virus, and slow to introduce control measures.

 

We currently have an infection (positive test results) rate of 0.9% of the population. In the U.S., it's 13%, the U.K., 5% and ROK, 3%. In Italy there are nearly 5,500 dead from the virus and the infection graph has only just started to slow.

 

It is unfortunate that many of our pleasurable activities are being crimped and even completely shut down, for what appears to be spurious reasons.

The fact remains, the Govt is being pro-active, and therefore the curtailing of socialising activities is a necessary part of that being proactive. We are shutting the door as the horse starts to make an escape attempt, not after it's bolted.

 

Some good information in the official link below, without the hysteria or fear-mongering of commercial networks.

 

https://www.health.gov.au/news/australian-health-protection-principal-committee-ahppc-coronavirus-covid-19-statement-on-22-march-2020

[Downunder]

For once, I hope that Australia's lagging behind the rest of the world is a good thing and we learn from other countries mistakes.

I'm not one of those burying my head in the sand (or in my @rse) pretending this does not exist and will follow whatever rules and regulations exist.

We may look back and think that standing in a queue for a short period of time was the least of our worries.....

[kgwilson]

Strangely the cavalier attitude of the idiots filmed at Bondi on Saturday may have finally jolted our collective conscience in to a "This is real and not a drill" type of realisation. Far too many of the populace reads rubbish media , facebook etc or nothing at all & the she'll be right attitude continued until NOW. Worldwide condemnation, thousands out of jobs, MyGov crash, queues at Centrelink have finally got though. Well I hope so. The predictions of exponential growth have proven 100% correct. We are in a good position to get the bell curve flattened and I believe it can happen before we get to thousands of deaths. We have a way to go yet and infections will continue to rise exponentially for a while before they start to taper off. Cases have been doubling every 4 days & that is what the lockdowns need to get down..

[WayneL]

Lone Eagle Flying School at Clifton has stopped Training and no flying in club aircraft til further notice.

[Jerry_Atrick]

UK in lockdown = airfield closed = no flying. With the plane just returned to service after almost 6 months, I was not going to be flying for a while as I need a check ride and they were effectively self-imposed banned anyway..

 

More time for posting stuff on here.

[spacesailor]

" "This is real and not a drill" type of realisation. ".

Look at the age of those beach goers !.

This virus wasn't Designed for them, they're having a " CatchIt " beach party.

Not many OLD war-babies there.

spacesailor

[spenaroo]

And my flight school is closed...

time to buy an RC plane and fly it from the backyard:roflmao:

[Guest Machtuk]

And my flight school is closed...

time to buy an RC plane and fly it from the backyard:roflmao:

Good luck with that! ?

[turboplanner]

The Prime Minister and Chief Medical Officer have just finished their addresses after the National Cabinet Meeting tonight.

There will be further tightening of activities from midnight tomorrow night.

The States and Territories will be deciding tomorrow how they handle various things discussed at tonight's meeting.

The lockdown hasn't been fast enough, and a few of the comments on this site yesterday and today show the type of misunderstandings from sections of the community - that's mainly what the States will be working on in the morning.

Having said that, overall as a Nation we have been good in battening down the hatches; it's mainly those misunderstandings that have allows new clusters of victims develop. My recommendation is to Check the Channel 9 app to get the words directly from the Prime Minister and Chief Medical Officer, then watch the Premiers and Chief Ministers confirming what constitutes essential work (everyone now working according to the PM tonight).

By tomorrow night I guarantee that without that, all the instructions will become a blur because things like weddings (only the bride, groom, celebrant and witnesses allowed) , funerals (maximum of ten people only), and restrictions on your freedom will be buried under opinions, spin etc for the next couple of days.

The problem we're running into now is that the degrees of lockdown are happening so fast you can't commit it to memory, and there's no point in asking friends what to do because social media is way behind (for example I've missed in the above about 40 minutes of critical information to keep your parents and grandparents alive).

[turboplanner]

I missed the end of the press questions, but the government has said they have caught up with the cartels which have been stripping our supermarkets of toilet paper and medical items, and has been able to seize some containers before they've left, but didn't say which nationalities were involved.

 

To his credit Chris Uhlmann, Channel 9's journalist said he would tell the people who they were and named Chinese and Middle East as their Nationalities.

[Litespeed]

I am on the goodship Walrus, well stocked, full of fishing gear etc. Social distancing is fine for me, the fish are friendly.

 

As long as I have meds and beer, all is ok.

 

All you landsmen stay safe.

[M61A1]

Sounds like people need to stop listening to the media and use government sites for information.

 

https://www.australia.gov.au/

[turboplanner]

Sounds like people need to stop listening to the media and use government sites for information.

 

https://www.australia.gov.au/

Yes, and the updates have been sometimes more that once a day; The decisions from tonight's National Cabinet also appearing on State websites tomorrow in time for the Stage 2 actions starting at midnight tomorrow.

[Flying Binghi]

A look at who actually dies from the Chinese flu...

 

“...Out of the 2,003 deaths, seventeen were people under fifty, and only 5 people under thirty died, while almost two hundred deaths were of people over 90. I’d read that the people dying in Italy were old, but I didn’t realize quite how old they actually are …

 

One thing I learned on this voyage was that the Italians distinguished between dying FROM the virus on the one hand, and dying WITH the virus on the other. Once I looked at the state of health of the Italian victims, however, I could see why they had to do that. Figure 3 shows the generous apportionment of serious diseases and conditions among the unfortunates...”

 

“...it got into the medical system. Doesn’t matter how. But once there, it was spread invisibly to other patients, in particular the oldest and weakest of the patients. It went from patient to patient, from patient to visitor and back again, and it was also spread by everyone in the hospital from administrators to doctors and nurses to janitors. In many, perhaps most cases, they didn’t even know they were sick, but they were indeed infectious.

 

And that’s why the pattern of the Italian deaths is so curious, and their number is so much larger than the rest of the world. It’s not a cross-section of the general population. It’s a cross-section of people who were already quite sick, sick enough that they were already visiting doctors and having procedures or being bedridden in hospitals. It was 85-year-olds with three diseases.

 

And it’s also why the death rate in Italy is so high—these people were already very ill. I can see why the Italians are distinguishing between dying FROM the virus and dying WITH the virus...”

 

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/24/the-italian-connection/

 

 

 

 

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[Guest Machtuk]

https://www.australia.gov.au/

 

Exactly! The grubby media have created more panic and hysteria than the virus could ever do! Common sense has long since gone out the window!

[turboplanner]

A look at who actually dies from the Chinese flu...

 

“...Out of the 2,003 deaths, seventeen were people under fifty, and only 5 people under thirty died, while almost two hundred deaths were of people over 90. I’d read that the people dying in Italy were old, but I didn’t realize quite how old they actually are …

 

One thing I learned on this voyage was that the Italians distinguished between dying FROM the virus on the one hand, and dying WITH the virus on the other. Once I looked at the state of health of the Italian victims, however, I could see why they had to do that. Figure 3 shows the generous apportionment of serious diseases and conditions among the unfortunates...”

 

“...it got into the medical system. Doesn’t matter how. But once there, it was spread invisibly to other patients, in particular the oldest and weakest of the patients. It went from patient to patient, from patient to visitor and back again, and it was also spread by everyone in the hospital from administrators to doctors and nurses to janitors. In many, perhaps most cases, they didn’t even know they were sick, but they were indeed infectious.

 

And that’s why the pattern of the Italian deaths is so curious, and their number is so much larger than the rest of the world. It’s not a cross-section of the general population. It’s a cross-section of people who were already quite sick, sick enough that they were already visiting doctors and having procedures or being bedridden in hospitals. It was 85-year-olds with three diseases.

 

And it’s also why the death rate in Italy is so high—these people were already very ill. I can see why the Italians are distinguishing between dying FROM the virus and dying WITH the virus...”

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/24/the-italian-connection/

 

 

This is an exponential moving pandemic. People who have been involved with the slower moving cancers know the importance of measuring the doubling for management, so for Australia you can take note of the total number of cases and total deaths, and see what's happening yourself.

It matters that Australia started locking down as early as it did and consistently as it did.

It matters that Australia used a targetted approach by using its limited test kits to test downstream of known positive cases.

Slowing the thread by a few dozen last month means a reduction by thousands in April/May.

 

So we are probably not going to go where Italy is, and may be going where South Korea is going, given that we are using the same testing trail strategy.

 

Hence going harder based on how many people were ignoring or mistaking our intent to isolate as much as we can while still

 

As far as dying with the disease goes, you could extract those figures, but they are complex. The Key at risk groups are those over 80, those who have diabetes, pre-existing respiratory issues, those who have a lowered immune system such as those who have had chemotherapy - the details are on the Commonwealth and State Health sites. The most common cause of death is pneumonia, so no questions there, the pneumonia can also bring on other issues such as heart attacks etc, and then there will be the people who will die normally while they are positive to the virus, so not caused by the virus.

 

All of that would be of interest to virologists.

 

The people who are making these almost daily lock down calls, which the National Cabinet and State/Territories have been adopting is members of the AHPPC, the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee.

They have been analysing all of the above, and a lot more than I can remember, analysing the successes and failures overseas, debating it, and then making their recommendations to the National Cabinet, which consists of the Prime Minister, State Premiers and Chief Ministers, which then allows the State and Territory Cabinets and Parliaments to meet and enact policies and legislation giving suitable powers for fast action, eg Police checking people for any breaches of isolation, closure of State Borders, status of schools, legal use of taxpayer finds etc.

That has been working very well without any hysteria.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/australian-health-protection-principal-committee

 

What I have found is that the National Cabinet live press converences, State/Territory Premier and Chief Ministers, and AHPPC press conferences have been infinitely better than the news after it has been spun, and cut back to fit time slots.

[Garfly]

[spacesailor]

" I am on the goodship Walrus, well stocked, full of fishing gear etc. Social distancing is fine for me, the fish are friendly."

NOT SO GOOD FOR ONE FAMILY !

Australian family marroned aboard their catamaran in the Bahamas. can't go ashore at any island, as all closed their boarders because of WuFlue.

spacesailor

[onetrack]

I can think of worse places to be marooned, besides on a boat in the Bahamas. They can go sailing and catch fish.

[spacesailor]

You need more than just fish !.

That's why they let that cruise liner dock, fill her up please,

( ran out of booze )

spacesailor

[Litespeed]

A boat is literally a "life boat"

[spacesailor]

OR

Flotsum.

spacesailor