slb Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 AOPA Australia CEO Ben Morgan yesterday wrote to Prime Minister Scott Morrison seeking an approval for recreational and private pilots to conduct flights for the purpose of running aircraft engines during the COVID-19 restrictions period. That is great to hear. Finally someone in authority is seeking a definite answer for us all. Hopefully whatever response is received, it will be for any and all the States. Too confusing to have different rules of what you can and can’t do depending on where you live. 1
Litespeed Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 FB - There's no hope of any sensible discussion, while you continually parrot the extreme-Right-Wing, Rush Limbaugh view, that the COVID-19 virus is "just the 'flu", or "the same as the 'flu" - and a "ChiCom virus". COVID-19 is an exceptionally virulent virus (even admitted to by Trump now), and it has curious effects, such as causing large numbers of tiny blood clots in the lungs, thus ensuring that lung function fails. Sadly, the imbecile right wing propaganda machine is in full swing and on this thread. They don't care who dies or how many nor those far greater numbers who will recover but with permanent damage. To them....... Science is just fake news Statistics and epidemiology are fake news Anyone who disagrees has a secret agenda or part of the "deep state". The rules only apply to others Society is just a prop for the undeserving. They are dangerous views in a time of crisis and endanger willingly the rest of us. They happily spruke snake oil solutions and blame anyone but themselves. About time we stop putting up with this and call it for what it is. A concerted campaign to spread dangerous information in a medical crisis and deliberately harm efforts to contain it. It is difficult to label accurately such behaviour other than sociopathic at best 7
Litespeed Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) Just in case any members are in doubt here is a simple video to explain things. Edited April 12, 2020 by Admin 2 1
turboplanner Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 [ATTACH type=full" alt="Messaging1586580810277.jpg]52227[/ATTACH]Both wrong, 80 knots but you would need a fair bit of nose down and power on. I'm a bit slow with figures, but there appears to be a discrepancy between the 80 kts here, and the 130 kts on the ASI in post #618?
Thruster88 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 I'm a bit slow with figures, but there appears to be a discrepancy between the 80 kts here, and the 130 kts on the ASI in post #618? You need to pay attention Turbo, there is no knob to adjust the TAS scale, it is just a very funny sticker or photoshop 1
turboplanner Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Chopper pilot fined yesterday in Qld for flying to Moreton Island.
Flying Binghi Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Swiss Doctors note: “...more patients with anxiety disorders and panic attacks...” https://www.rontalpraxis.ch/aktuelles .
Flying Binghi Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 WHO wants to take yer children off you..? .
Flying Binghi Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 ... COVID-19 is an exceptionally virulent virus (even admitted to by Trump now), and it has curious effects, such as causing large numbers of tiny blood clots in the lungs, thus ensuring that lung function fails. ... An update to that. Jo Nova has a look-see: “.....Something like this HAPE high altitude event seems to be occurring in Coronavirus patients due to the virus. Covid-19 binds to an enzyme involved in controlling the vasoconstriction. It targets and sticks to the ACE2 enzyme, stopping it working. Normally ACE1 raises angiotensin II and ACE2 lowers it. Angiotensin II raises blood pressure (ACE Inhibitors, the very common drugs against hypertension, act against ACE1 to lower blood pressure). So if the virus multiplies to the point it takes out all the ACE2, then there is nothing stopping Angiotensin from creating a vasoconstriction crisis (or a type of cytokine storm). As the blood pressure builds it will force the fluids into the alveoli, flooding the lungs, dropping the oxygen levels in a vicious cycle. The high pressure may also increase blood clotting which could block flow, clogging up the blood vessels further. But the clotting problem may be due to antibodies against the virus.....” Full article: http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/urgent-new-medical-theory-on-coronavirus-hold-the-ventilators-stop-blood-clots-instead/ .
Marty_d Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Sadly, the imbecile right wing propaganda machine is in full swing and on this thread. They don't care who dies or how many nor those far greater numbers who will recover but with permanent damage. To them....... Science is just fake news Statistics and epidemiology are fake news Anyone who disagrees has a secret agenda or part of the "deep state". The rules only apply to others Society is just a prop for the undeserving. They are dangerous views in a time of crisis and endanger willingly the rest of us. They happily spruke snake oil solutions and blame anyone but themselves. About time we stop putting up with this and call it for what it is. A concerted campaign to spread dangerous information in a medical crisis and deliberately harm efforts to contain it. It is difficult to label accurately such behaviour other than sociopathic at best I've recently discovered the "ignore" button. It's great to block out the ravings of the most deluded. 3
SplitS Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Sadly, the imbecile right wing propaganda machine is in full swing and on this thread. They don't care who dies or how many nor those far greater numbers who will recover but with permanent damage. To them....... Science is just fake news Statistics and epidemiology are fake news Anyone who disagrees has a secret agenda or part of the "deep state". The rules only apply to others Society is just a prop for the undeserving. They are dangerous views in a time of crisis and endanger willingly the rest of us. They happily spruke snake oil solutions and blame anyone but themselves. About time we stop putting up with this and call it for what it is. A concerted campaign to spread dangerous information in a medical crisis and deliberately harm efforts to contain it. It is difficult to label accurately such behaviour other than sociopathic at best If you actually look at the statistics you will see this covid thing is blown way out of proportion. Check Sweden's response which I have been advocating for from the beginning. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa Look at the data (which you have not post anything other than mmmhh feelings) under 50's and your chance of dying is less than the 2017-18 flu there are no if or but's Destroying the economy will kill far more people than this virus we know this from past recession's so you are right "It is difficult to label accurately such behavior other than sociopathic at best". Covid-19 scare for the mathematical illiterate.
Kiwi Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 You need to pay attention Turbo, there is no knob to adjust the TAS scale, it is just a very funny sticker or photoshop Yes just a sticker held on with Bluetac... 1 1
Flying Binghi Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 If you actually look at the statistics you will see this covid thing is blown way out of proportion. Check Sweden's response which I have been advocating for from the beginning. ..... Destroying the economy will kill far more people than this virus we know this from past recession's so you are right "It is difficult to label accurately such behavior other than sociopathic at best". Covid-19 scare for the mathematical illiterate. Of interest is who is affected in Sweden. “...The no-go Stockholm suburb of Rinkeby-Kista has become the area most affected by coronavirus in the Swedish capital, relative to the population... According to Dr Follin, there have been no special measures suggested so far for the so-called “vulnerable” areas, which boast high levels of migrant-background residents. Previous reports from broadcaster Sveriges Radio had revealed that the Somali community in Stockholm had been particularly affected by coronavirus,...” https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/stockholm-no-go-suburb-most-affected-coronavirus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29 Those with darker skin need more sunshine...? .
Bruce Tuncks Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 In Australia, there is a big worry about when the virus gets to aboriginal settlements. There is little confidence that the inhabitants will do anything useful to protect themselves. Of course, it is not said like that but expressed in more politically acceptable terms. It is easy to conclude that stupidity and ignorance are at play here, but there is also the possibility that life is not considered to be so good that hanging on to it is worth an effort. There may be another explanation which I am not clever enough to figure out on my own.
kgwilson Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 If you actually look at the statistics you will see this covid thing is blown way out of proportion. Check Sweden's response which I have been advocating for from the beginning. https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa Look at the data (which you have not post anything other than mmmhh feelings) under 50's and your chance of dying is less than the 2017-18 flu there are no if or but's Destroying the economy will kill far more people than this virus we know this from past recession's so you are right "It is difficult to label accurately such behavior other than sociopathic at best". Covid-19 scare for the mathematical illiterate. Australia is not Sweden. Swedes are far more organised and the population is usually happy to comply with advice from its government. What happened here when that same advice was given here. Thousands completely ignored the advice & went to Bondi & guess where one of the biggest concentrations of Covid-19 is. Not only that but 20-29 year olds are by far the largest group with the disease but symptoms within this group are usually mild or non existent but they are not exempt from major illness or death. The projections of letting it run it's course are well known and published and as has been stated numerous times our health system would be completely overwhelmed.
onetrack Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I think the basic problem with the dark-skinned races is that they are basically all tribal, they live in large groups, in close contact, and indulge in considerable close contact when greeting each other. Plus, the vast majority of these people have many underlying health problems, due to their often innate ability to eat the proper foods, and generally look after their own health.
Flying Binghi Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I think the basic problem with the dark-skinned races is that they are basically all tribal, they live in large groups, in close contact, and indulge in considerable close contact when greeting each other. Plus, the vast majority of these people have many underlying health problems, due to their often innate ability to eat the proper foods, and generally look after their own health. And yet, in the USA we find... “...As the novel coronavirus sweeps across the United States, it appears to be infecting and killing black Americans at a disproportionately high rate...” https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/?arc404=true Have a look-see at a lighter skinned peoples that have high sunshine and yet cover themselves up all year. Google search “...vitamin D deficiency in Iran...” Note the higher D deficiency rates in Iranian females - Bit hard to get them healthy rays when yer all covered up in a sack every time you leave the house..? .
Flying Binghi Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Australia is not Sweden. Swedes are far more organised and the population is usually happy to comply with advice from its government. What happened here when that same advice was given here. Thousands completely ignored the advice & went to Bondi & guess where one of the biggest concentrations of Covid-19 is. Not only that but 20-29 year olds are by far the largest group with the disease but symptoms within this group are usually mild or non existent but they are not exempt from major illness or death. The projections of letting it run it's course are well known and published and as has been stated numerous times our health system would be completely overwhelmed. Unless it falls to the pressure from the hysteria merchants, what is Sweden trying to do ? Scenario: In Australia we have a hard lock-down isolation for those above 65 years old and people suffering lung issues. Re the scenario, Question: What would be the expected hospitalisation/death rate of the below 65 year old population living a normal life ?..? .
SplitS Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Australia is not Sweden. Swedes are far more organised and the population is usually happy to comply with advice from its government. What happened here when that same advice was given here. Thousands completely ignored the advice & went to Bondi & guess where one of the biggest concentrations of Covid-19 is. Not only that but 20-29 year olds are by far the largest group with the disease but symptoms within this group are usually mild or non existent but they are not exempt from major illness or death. The projections of letting it run it's course are well known and published and as has been stated numerous times our health system would be completely overwhelmed. No the projections are way off Sweden has proved the health care system would not be overwhelmed. The models are complete rubbish and we don't have to model anything the data is now available. Letting it burn thru the under 50's-65(with no underlining health issues) will not cause a problem for the hospital system. Shutting down the economy will kill far more people. Where do you think the money come's from to run the hospital system? (Hint a robust economy = robust health care). We have gone insane.
spacesailor Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 " Sadly, the imbecile right wing propaganda machine is in full swing and on this thread. They don't care who dies or how many nor those far greater numbers who will recover but with permanent damage. To them....... Science is just fake news Statistics and epidemiology are fake news " " The Chinese government is reportedly attempting to censor research by scientists into the origins of the coronavirus. as universities in Wuhan have reportedly published new requirements for academics seeking to publish studies on the topic. The revelation that the Wuhan Institute was experimenting on bats from the area already known to be the source of COVID-19 - and doing so with American money - has sparked further fears that the lab, and not the market, is the original outbreak source. Lawmakers and pressure groups were quick to hit out at U.S. funding being provided for the 'dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute'. The Wuhan Institute lists them on their website as a partner as well as several other American academic institutions. Other U.S. partners include the University of Alabama, the University of North Texas, Harvard University, and the National Wildlife Federation. As part of the NIH research at the institute, scientists grew a coronavirus in a lab and injected it into three-day-old piglets. According to one unverified claim, scientists at the institute could have become infected after being sprayed with blood containing the virus, and then passed it on to the local community. " More Fake news ?. I just read and do not analyse !. Then if Interesting PASS it on. Is that Imbecilic. spacesailor
Yenn Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Letting it burn through the under 65s without health issues may be OK but how many are there. From what I see of the population we have a large number of under 65s who don't look healthy to me. How many in the 50 to 65 age bracket are not on medication of some sort. When I go the doctors I see the majority of those in the waiting room are less than 65 and there are only a few over 65. Don't know what it is like at the moment as If I go to the Dr, I ring up, get an appointment and then phone when I get there and tell them where I am parked. Supposedly going for a flu jab on Friday, it was Tuesday, but they ran out.
spacesailor Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 " I ring up, get an appointment and then " WE do the same, may as well not bother as it still takes forever to see the Dr. I mean 2 hours sitting with all those other possibly contagious people. to get the FLU shot. spacesailor
octave Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Letting it burn through the under 65s without health issues may be OK but how many are there. From what I see of the population we have a large number of under 65s who don't look healthy to me. How many in the 50 to 65 age bracket are not on medication of some sort. When I go the doctors I see the majority of those in the waiting room are less than 65 and there are only a few over 65. Don't know what it is like at the moment as If I go to the Dr, I ring up, get an appointment and then phone when I get there and tell them where I am parked. Supposedly going for a flu jab on Friday, it was Tuesday, but they ran out. And also many younger people have pre existing and are unaware. i have a slight vulnerability that I have had all of my life but I only became aware of it 8 years ago. It is interesting to look at the figures regarding uncontrolled high blood pressure. In the age group 18-24 6% of males and 6.7% of females have uncontrolled high blood pressure. age 25-34 11.1% age 45-54 26.9% age 55-64 40% All of these people are more vulnerable and would need to be isolated PLUS their families and others who live with them. Because we started by going hard on physical isolation we do have choices that we would not have if we had let it rip. The notion that the economy would be unaffected if we let it rip is nonsense. With a well over a third of the population self isolating and another percentage who simultaneously have the disease many who will be only mildly affected but also many who are too unwell to work for a couple of weeks. If the lockdown were to be suddenly lifted it is naive to believe that the airline industry would return to normal in the short term. Who is going to travel when they know they may catch covid and be ill at their destination. It is strange that all of a sudden the right wing mob are singing the praises of socialist Sweden and bagging the conservative governments such as The United states government the UK Australia ect. Boris and Donald were all for letting it rip but they changed their tune when it became clear what the results of that would be. I know a couple of people here think they have expertise in this subject but they don't and neither do I. If you have to sift through links to find the 1 site out of many that happens to support your case or if you have to rely on 1 or 2 sources then you should consider to possibility that you are falling into the trap of confirmation bias. 3
jackc Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 " Sadly, the imbecile right wing propaganda machine is in full swing and on this thread. They don't care who dies or how many nor those far greater numbers who will recover but with permanent damage. To them....... Science is just fake news Statistics and epidemiology are fake news " " The Chinese government is reportedly attempting to censor research by scientists into the origins of the coronavirus. as universities in Wuhan have reportedly published new requirements for academics seeking to publish studies on the topic. The revelation that the Wuhan Institute was experimenting on bats from the area already known to be the source of COVID-19 - and doing so with American money - has sparked further fears that the lab, and not the market, is the original outbreak source. Lawmakers and pressure groups were quick to hit out at U.S. funding being provided for the 'dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute'. The Wuhan Institute lists them on their website as a partner as well as several other American academic institutions. Other U.S. partners include the University of Alabama, the University of North Texas, Harvard University, and the National Wildlife Federation. As part of the NIH research at the institute, scientists grew a coronavirus in a lab and injected it into three-day-old piglets. According to one unverified claim, scientists at the institute could have become infected after being sprayed with blood containing the virus, and then passed it on to the local community. " More Fake news ?. I just read and do not analyse !. Then if Interesting PASS it on. Is that Imbecilic. spacesailor I subscribe to this medical ‘bible’ I care nothing for fake news..... https://www.nejm.org/ 1 1
Flying Binghi Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Meanwhile, over in Sweden... 8/4/20 “...On Thursday, the region of Stockholm will start testing people who work at homes for the elderly for covid-19. The capital's health commissioner Anna Starbrink tells Swedish Television that it is "regrettable" that Sweden's capacity for testing has been so low...” https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7448662 Now, how is it that there are all those known case reports ? Sweden hasn’t been doing much testing...?............. .
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