How has COVID 19 affected your flying or intended flying

[Old Koreelah]

...What keeps me involved (at least for the moment) is not because I think I can change their mind but there are probably other forum members who are sitting on the fence not knowing what to think...

This fence-sitter appreciates the opportunity to follow the debate.

Most of our normal human contact is off limits, so that makes this site an even more valuable resource.

Where would we all be without Ian's Recreationalflying?

[Old Koreelah]

Yep... Wikipedia. What a source...

Yes, FB; what a source!

Wikipedia is the 5th most visited website on the planet, not just because it's easy to access and free, but because it's reliable. It's built by the global community, not some ultra-rich right wing nut job with an insidious agenda.

As a longtime user and contributor to Wikipedia, I can assure you it ain't perfect, but it's at least as reliable as standard encyclopaedias and constantly checked and edited by a team of unpaid professionals.

 

While his peers earned billions from establishing Facebook, Google, Apple, etc, Jimmy Wales put his heart into building up a global resource that all humankind could rely on and contribute to.

He deserves a Nobel Prize.

https://qz.com/98600/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-is-only-worth-1-million/

Edited March 29, 2020 by Old Koreelah

[SplitS]

This lock down is looking more and more and more stupid.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238473-you-could-be-spreading-the-coronavirus-without-realising-youve-got-it/

"The study concluded that 86 per cent of cases were “undocumented” – that is, asymptomatic or had only very mild symptoms"

This makes it way less lethal than the flu.

We are destroying peoples lives and lively hood's for what?

Those that want to lock down go ahead for everyone else especially if you are under 50 this thing is a very bad joke.

[octave]

This is what it looks like in er in a city with lockdown. What would it look like without a lockdown? Some friends of ours have a son (a childhood friend of my son) who is a doctor in er in John Hunter Hospital. His parent are worried sick. I am sure he and his parents would much rather he dealt with a number of patients that is within the capacity of the hospital to deal with. I have great sympathy for these health workers and I am not sure if I would be brave enough or conscientious enough not to just walk away.

 

The economy will recover, and I say this as someone who relies on investing for a large part of my income. Businesses will adapt and are adapting. Some businesses will fail and new ones will created. If I compare my losses with the risks these health workers are taking I consider myself lucky.

 

[onetrack]

F.B. said ...

I noted the source of the Breitbart article. I noted the wording of the Breitbart article. The article reads the same over many news services.

 

And you still fail to understand, that many overseas news media simply repost the exact same untruthful articles - word for word - as appear in Australian media - without fact checking.

 

This is the "source" of your story about "Australian Vigilantes Slashing Tyres of Fleeing COVID-19 Refugees" - note the excellent work in using a "file photo" of a flat tyre - not even a slashed tyre, and not even an actual "COVID-19 refugees" tyre!!

 

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/outback-tyres-slashed-as-queensland-nomads-flee-virus-20200327-p54eod.html

 

I have actually written to The Rt Hon David Littleproud to ask where he got his "facts" from, as regards "COVID-19 refugees" having their tyres slashed in rural and Outback Queensland. I doubt whether he will even reply.

 

It's a toss-up as to whether you or Littleproud produces more BS.

[Old Koreelah]

Re coal: ...- Even if you ‘believe’ in the global warming cult you would have to realise just how pointless the shouting down of Australia’s coal power is..?

An old, pointless argument. Makes about as much sense as this one:

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/headlines/labor-calls-for-australia-to-pull-out-of-olympics-because-we-only-make-up-1-3-of-athletes/

[Bruce Tuncks]

Coronavirus deliberately started by the Chinese government? That's in the same category as " faked moon landings ".

They may be nasty enough to do the deed, but I strongly doubt that they are smart enough to get away with it.

[Old Koreelah]

This is what it looks like in er in a city with lockdown. What would it look like without a lockdown? Some friends of ours have a son (a childhood friend of my son) who is a doctor in er in John Hunter Hospital. His parent are worried sick. I am sure he and his parents would much rather he dealt with a number of patients that is within the capacity of the hospital to deal with. I have great sympathy for these health workers and I am not sure if I would be brave enough or conscientious enough not to just walk away...

I'm with you, Octave. My nearest and dearest are on the front line, in the healthcare and law enforcement sectors. Like me, they have pre-existing conditions that make them vulnerable, but they are essential services and must take the risk. The rest of us have a responsibility to minimise that risk.

[Flying Binghi]

I havn’t seen the advice in the media yet. So I’ll post here...

 

The China virus gets into your system via the eyes, nose and mouth.

 

If yer got long hair it is the best dust and virus collector on your body.

 

To avoid any strands of hair brushing your eyes etc - make sure it is in a ponytail at all times and only undo in the shower.

 

 

 

 

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[spacesailor]

What about Facial hair ?,

Should all men shave their beards off, Just in case.

hairy spacesailor

[octave]

What about Facial hair ?,

Should all men shave their beards off, Just in case.

hairy spacesailor

 

No, The CDC Is Not Telling People to Shave to Avoid The Coronavirus

[facthunter]

Most of the "hairiest"pilots I've seen are clean shaven. Nev

[octave]

Two reasons to "flatten the curve" rather than let it rip.

 

If we are to provide health workers with the protective equipment they need, the manufacturers need to keep up with demand. Spreading the demand by slowing the infection transmission rate will ensure that health workers can have the equipment they need and deserve. It literally could be the difference between getting a new mask between patients and using the same mask all day.

 

Coronavirus fires up production at Australia's only medical mask factory

 

Vaccines are being trialed at this very moment. If we let it rip there are people of all age groups who will get sick and older people or people with high blood pressure etc who may die because we do not yet have a vaccine or anti viral drug. Getting covid 19 in six months may not entail the same death or complication rate that it does now.

 

What I am saying is it might be better to get the virus after Preventative vaccine trial for COVID-19 healthcare workers than before. Especially when the local hospital is overrun.

[Bruce Tuncks]

I reckon the best reason to " flatten the curve" is that there might be a vaccine or cure before you get it if you delay enough.

[turboplanner]

The cautious story from the PM, Premier and Victoria's Chief Medical Officer is that the growth slowed in Victoria yesterday, but that it is based on test results per 100,000 and they can jump around. When doubling is what you are trying to prevent, these dips are like a second go at getting a goal.

Also there will be a big boost in ventilator production, and there it Octave's link above to the Shepparton mask factory which is ramping up production with the help of Defence personnel.

[SplitS]

"COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK"

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Going to be interesting to see how they whined back their rhetoric.

Social isolation has a huge effect of people's health this stupid lock down is going to have a massive impact. We are already seeing an impact on peoples mental health.The cure is way worse than the virus.

https://www.aginglifecarejournal.org/health-effects-of-social-isolation-and-loneliness/

[SplitS]

The cautious story from the PM, Premier and Victoria's Chief Medical Officer is that the growth slowed in Victoria yesterday, but that it is based on test results per 100,000 and they can jump around. When doubling is what you are trying to prevent, these dips are like a second go at getting a goal.

Also there will be a big boost in ventilator production, and there it Octave's link above to the Shepparton mask factory which is ramping up production with the help of Defence personnel.

Ventilators are not going to be an issue.

There are over 4,000 ventilators in oz

currently there are 4163 cases with 28 in critical care (on ventilators) . On the current numbers we would need to have over 400,000 cases to come close to causing a ventilator issue. Listen to Australia's chief medical officer he is whingeing back on the need for ICU bed's

[octave]

"COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK"

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Going to be interesting to see how they whined back their rhetoric.

Social isolation has a huge effect of people's health this stupid lock down is going to have a massive impact. We are already seeing an impact on peoples mental health.The cure is way worse than the virus.

https://www.aginglifecarejournal.org/health-effects-of-social-isolation-and-loneliness/

 

 

Debunked: The UK no longer considers Covid-19 a high consequence infectious disease, but social media posts about it are misleading

 

Covid-19 is not considered a High Consequence Infectious Disease - but it is still vital to observe lockdown

[SplitS]

Debunked: The UK no longer considers Covid-19 a high consequence infectious disease, but social media posts about it are misleading

You provided a link to a "fake news" web site I provided a link to the UK government web site.

This virus scare is all about the mathematical illiterate.

[octave]

here are over 4,000 ventilators in oz

 

Can you post a link please. As of Friday there were 2000 although hopes of doubling.

 

"Currently, there are about 2,000 ventilators attached to beds in ICU units around Australia.

The government is looking to double those to 4,000.

Going off global figures, about 5 per cent of coronavirus cases will become critically unwell and will need ICU care."

 

What's a ventilator and do we have enough of them to fight coronavirus?

[SplitS]

Can you post a link please. As of Friday there were 2000 although hopes of doubling.

 

"Currently, there are about 2,000 ventilators attached to beds in ICU units around Australia.

The government is looking to double those to 4,000.

Going off global figures, about 5 per cent of coronavirus cases will become critically unwell and will need ICU care."

 

What's a ventilator and do we have enough of them to fight coronavirus?

It's more than that there are ventilators is operating theater's spare one's in ambulance's etc. Sure there are only 2,000 in ICU's but there are heaps more spread thu the hospital system. There are 4 within 250 meters of me now and they are not being used. Australia's chief medical officer has made announcements regarding this I cannot be bothered going back over his speech but feel free.

[octave]

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You provided a link to a "fake news" web site I provided a link to the UK government web site.

This virus scare is all about the mathematical illiterate.

 

 

and yet when I go to the Gov website I am greeted by this warning

 

[Old Koreelah]

What about Facial hair ?,

Should all men shave their beards off, Just in case.

hairy spacesailor

I did and have greatly enjoyed freeking out my grandkids on FaceTime!

[octave]

It is important to understand what HCID is and why it was applied to the virus in its early days and why it has been removed and what that means. HCID has a very high bar.

 

"Currently, the HCID list has diseases such as Ebola (fatality rate of 50%), SARS (mortality rate of 11%), MERS (fatality rate of 34.4%), and Nipah virus infection (mortality rate of 40 to 75%)."

 

There are several criteria to qualifies a disease for HCID status and all of have to be satisfied (can post the list if you like)

 

What does it mean:

 

As per the UK government public health information portal, just because COVID-19 is excluded from the HCID list does not mean that the UK does not consider it dangerous. It just means that the disease will not be treated exclusively at the HCID centres. The UK has a network of health centres that are responsible for handling high consequence infectious diseases.

 

Ask yourself this if the change in covids status is a significant downgrade then why you would expect the very department that downgraded it to revise their public health advice.

 

Coronavirus (COVID-19): what you need to do

[turboplanner]

Our Chief Medical Officer made it quite clear yesterday in answer to a question from the press, that what might be going on in the rest of the world needs to be taken with a grain of salt because each country had a different lead up, diffent stages of early action, different policies which will produce different trajectories, some good some bad, and different outcomes.

We have adopted a high testing regime, which allows pockets to be tracked and targeted as well as the across the board starving the virus by separation.

 

So definitions by people in overseas countries, or what the Guardian or Social Morons might be predicting, while possibly entertaining, are not likely to be as important to our well-being as the progressive action from day to day of our collective State/Territory and Commonwealth Medical Officer team. There hasn't been much mention of that team, but I'm getting the impression it's probably more than 50 specialists. Their discussions and decisions emerge through the State/Territory and National Chief Medical Officers.

 

However, for those desperate for definitions, coefficients, equations and components which lead to the case data being published day by day, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer said they intend to be transparent, and will publish all the components in a couple of days.