How has COVID 19 affected your flying or intended flying

[M61A1]

To add to the above, this morning’s article says that they aren’t sure if he actually is positive for cv19, as two tests yielded two different results, and his condition was such that even if he did have it , it may not have been what killed him. Further investigations are being conducted.

[Yenn]

That health worker is supposed to have visited Blackwater, which would have been breaking the regulations.

She supposedly went to photograph the sunset. Oh yes I believe that. Any sane person would drive over 150km illegally, because the sunset is such an unbelievable sight.

That nurse doesn't have much credibility so asking if she ever met the bloke who died is not going to tell us anything. It looks like a big coincidence to me and I don't believe in coincidences.

[facthunter]

I believe it's better if there's a" sunset" clause. No SHE shouldn't have travelled.

Being more serious and a bit more out and about (carefully) in the last few days, I've noticed that People think it's all over and turn up with symptoms. people walk into medical centres with others around them having tested POSITIVE for it, or go into a haircut place coughing and with a sore throat thinking it's ALL back to NORMAL and get all agro with the owner when told it's not ON to be there and risk others. Some young people who aren't observing any distancing precautions just say it only affects old people. Too much of this and the hard work and cost will be undone. Really depressing to see this. Nev

Edited May 28, 2020 by facthunter

[Bruce Tuncks]

I agree Nev. The media should be saying how the lockdown stuff was in order to avoid overwhelming the hospitals. Flattening the curve doesn't mean having less total cases, it just means spreading them over time. Instead of saying its even more important to be careful, they seem to be saying its all over and we did good, so now we can forget the precautions.

[Flightrite]

I believe it's better if there's a" sunset" clause. No SHE shouldn't have travelled.

Being more serious and a bit more out and about (carefully) in the last few days, I've noticed that People think it's all over and turn up with symptoms. people walk into medical centres with others around them having tested POSITIVE for it, or go into a haircut place coughing and with a sore throat thinking it's ALL back to NORMAL and get all agro with the owner when told it's not ON to be there and risk others. Some young people who aren't observing any distancing precautions just say it only affects old people. Too much of this and the hard work and cost will be undone. Really depressing to see this. Nev

 

Welcome to reality!

[Jerry_Atrick]

Which is, if I am notmistaken, the reason why on the medics advice, the governments have taken the actions they have - despite them being accused of being draconioan and dictatorial... ?

[Flightrite]

Very draconian and dictorial, very! Keeping various borders closed shows the stupidity of how divided we are as a nation! There's no medical reason/advice on record that shows keeping the country as a communist country is beneficial, the Feds want them open but not most of the nutters at the various helms!

[jackc]

Go firmly and go early. The proven successful method. NOT doing that has put the worst cases around the world. where they are.

I don't think using terms like" carpet bombed the whole country" tells the story correctly. This virus doesn't have wings or legs, It is transmitted by People to other people. Reducing/eliminating contact does it. WHAT other place wouldn't want to be where WE are? .Nev

Well, I thought the ‘carpet bombing’ statement was accurate, those of us who live in sparsely populated ares copped the same as those in high destiny living areas. As a result the rural economy that helps feed those people in the cities has suffered badly, some businesses won’t survive. Most of the ‘breaches’ of the health directives were in high destiny areas with the resulting spread of infection. Many blunders were made by the very authorities that wanted to slap massive fines on people. Hospitalising sufferers in mainstream hospitals was a stupid thing to do. Seperate virus treatment facilities should have been setup for isolation of sufferers from the general hospital population. I could go on, but......

[facthunter]

reply to # 57...Haven't you noticed it's politicised? Once that happens truth as in war is the first casualty . Only a few short weeks ago Sco Mo was saying take the advice of the STATEs chief medical officer. Is the Tassy government, Communist? Silly concept to even be bringing up. Social responsibility is not the exclusive property of so called Communist governments though the most social Irresponsibility is in the US and Brazil and they are not making history doing much well. What principle will they sacrifice to the almighty dollar after this one? Invalids and the sick or the blind?

[Jerry_Atrick]

Very draconian and dictorial, very! Keeping various borders closed shows the stupidity of how divided we are as a nation! There's no medical reason/advice on record that shows keeping the country as a communist country is beneficial, the Feds want them open but not most of the nutters at the various helms!

 

Apart from the beat up about the states being communists.. last time I looked they are operating in democratic laws and if you want to (and you are in the right jurisdiction, you can vote against the sitting MP.. etc. Just a little bit of propaganda there.. But I do agree that it is insane that it applied across the states.. However, that is where the powers are - not federally.. and each state CMO provided advice they thought necessary for the protection of their state - that is their remit. Of course, they should have come to a more consistent approach - but then...

 

Well, I thought the ‘carpet bombing’ statement was accurate, those of us who live in sparsely populated ares copped the same as those in high destiny living areas. As a result the rural economy that helps feed those people in the cities has suffered badly, some businesses won’t survive. Most of the ‘breaches’ of the health directives were in high destiny areas with the resulting spread of infection. Many blunders were made by the very authorities that wanted to slap massive fines on people. Hospitalising sufferers in mainstream hospitals was a stupid thing to do. Seperate virus treatment facilities should have been setup for isolation of sufferers from the general hospital population. I could go on, but......

 

OK - so from above - why shoud each state differentiate - and now are we saying se should micro-differentiate based oin rural and urban areas - that's even smaller than a state.. It's a tough act to work out what to do that is practical. I agree, however, that it may have been better to allow such differences.. But, you would have to enforce even more draconian travel restrictions as you wouldn't want the city folk descending on the rural areas so they could enjoy quite a bit more freedom than in the city..

 

In this case, the government is damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Personally, stopping the spread in built up areas is a darned good job they should be patted on the back for.. regardless of political affiliation.

 

@Flightrite - your "Welcome to reality" was in response to a post that was stating the problems with not having a lockdown continue, yet you then say it is draconian to continiue it.. I am guessing your welcome to reality is a "get used to it" type welcome to reality rather than a "wlecome to the fact there are a lot of seriously incosiderate and selfiosh people in the world who are oblivious to the problems they may cause".. Maybe you shouuld look up the damage it does to people who survive it as well...

[Flightrite]

Apart from the beat up about the states being communists.. last time I looked they are operating in democratic laws and if you want to (and you are in the right jurisdiction, you can vote against the sitting MP.. etc. Just a little bit of propaganda there.. But I do agree that it is insane that it applied across the states.. However, that is where the powers are - not federally.. and each state CMO provided advice they thought necessary for the protection of their state - that is their remit. Of course, they should have come to a more consistent approach - but then...

 

 

 

OK - so from the above - why shoud each state differentiate - and now we whoudl allow micro-differentiation... It's a tough act. I agree, however, that it may have been better to allow such differences.. But, you would have to enforce even more draconian travel restrictions as you wouldn't want the city fols descending on the rural areas so they could enjoy quite a bit more freedom than in the city..

 

In this case, the government is damned if they did and damned if they didn't Personally, stopping the spread in built up areas is a darned good job they should be patted on the back for.. regardless of political affiliation.

 

@Flightrite - your "Welcome to reality" was in response to a post that was stating the problems with not having a lockdown continue, yet you then say it is draconian to continiue it.. Maybe you shouuld look up the damage it does to people who survive it as well...

 

You miss my point entirely in my comment but seeing as you don't even reside here I'll leave you ponder and wriggle with frustration?

[kgwilson]

There is only one reason we have States & that is historical. Originally individual colonies the tyranny of distance made it the logical choice but that has long passed. Now there are 6 sets of laws, 6 police forces, medical systems, the list is endless. The federal Government lays blame on the States when things go wrong (& vice versa) & when it won't make decisions passes the buck. The only reason we retain them is Political with too much vested interest by Politicians lining their political pockets. Surveys have been conducted and most Australians do not believe we need this extra layer of government with its inherent enormous cost. Personally I'd like the States to be just like Provinces. Then we wouldn't have the different rules & debacles that currently exist throughout this Pandemic

[Jim McDowall]

Very draconian and dictorial, very! Keeping various borders closed shows the stupidity of how divided we are as a nation!

Australia is actually a federation of sovereign states - and ScoMo set up the "National Cabinet" thus diluting his leadership and diffusing responsibility.

I hope that one of the High Court challenges to the closure of state borders gets up as free movement of within a nation is an essential liberty. What this period in our history has shown is how easily we could find ourselves in a state of tyranny. On the theme of "never let a crisis go to waste", it is worth remembering that some of the greatest tyrants of modern history have come to power with public support only to institute regimes that could not be imagined, mainly by setting up false enemies or crises.

As the saying goes "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". However laudable an action of Government maybe it is incumbent on society at large to be aware of the longer run consequences of that action, including the potential for the things Governments learnt about manipulating (controlling?) population behavior that can be used to entrench that control.

If you think that the Deep State only exists in the US, it is time you took a reality check. You just have to look at CASA to see this in action, beyond the effective control of parliament.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I don't disagree at all.. But as I pointed out on the one hand people want the freedome to move between states, but on the other hand, people want to have differing extents of the lockdown based on location - rural v. urban.. which sounds OK, bit to work, would have required even more stringent lockdown because I would not be able to move between the two otherwise the lockdown would have bene a farce.

 

I agree with the eternal vigilance.. I just happen to think that in some cases, one's vigilant assessment is to ensure that while the action is justified (as it appears to be), it is checked. I mentioned one of thread that there was news that Andrews was seeking to extend some of the extaordinary powers into normal life afterwards because it was easier for police to round up the crooks (paraphrasing). That should be resisteed at all costs until at least it has been presented under the normal democratic process... as should un unjustifiable extension to the lockdown, etc. As I said, there are a lot of people here now criticising the government and the medics for its tardy response.

[turboplanner]

I mentioned one of thread that there was news that Andrews was seeking to extend some of the extaordinary powers into normal life afterwards because it was easier for police to round up the crooks (paraphrasing).

That can't happen unless the people want it that way and both houses of Parliament vote for it and they would be scared of the backlash.

There are two actions which trigger over-riding powers:

 

(a) a declaration of a State of Emergency, (in this case medical, so with the top medical people making the decisions).

(b) a declaration of a State of Disaster, where again specialists for the disaster take over the critical decision.

 

Bot are declared for a fixed time, so just as they start to get excited about running the State they're out of a job.

[facthunter]

They differentiate because of different circumstances applying from time to time. Why would each States circumstances be exactly the same? A state border is just a convenient delineation. Australia is a FEDERATION by agreement of some states and some (Less than states) Territories that have more Federal control. Morrison said each state CHO had the Power a few short weeks ago.. Now He's done a reversal and being a bit of a bully boy for political point scoring.

. Trade and commerce must be free between States. THAT goes back to when there were CUSTOMS procedures and charges to cross borders which have been eliminated over 100 years ago. Health, or transmission of crop or animal disease or crimes or accidents on a road still come under states control. Yes maybe some are also using their stand for political advantage but we must stick to Facts where it's possible. not switch a principle to suit a whim or score a point. Schools and small areas will be Investigated as we work through this (Like Blackwater) Nev

[Jim McDowall]

Morrison said each state CHO had the Power a few short weeks ago

 

That was a statement of fact. ScoMo was right because he has no constitutional health powers (or probably powers to control the movement of people within States). Each of the States have a form of Emergency Management Act that provides the powers under which (effectively) martial law is proclaimed. Added to that powers within the various Public Health Act provide similar powers to the State's CMO.

 

A state border is just a convenient delineation.

The existence of the States is confirmed by the Constitution which divides the powers between the Commonwealth and the States (amongst other things). In a DEMOCRACY the only thing that stands between a popularly (?) elected government and a tyranny is the Constitution. The problem in Australia is that we have never had to rescue the nation from a Government acting unconstitutionally by force and as such regard the Constitution of some sort of mildly relevant quaint document.

If serious efforts were made to teach civics from an early age we may have a nation with a population that respects the Constitution and all that flows from it.

[Flightrite]

That was a statement of fact. ScoMo was right because he has no constitutional health powers (or probably powers to control the movement of people within States). Each of the States have a form of Emergency Management Act that provides the powers under which (effectively) martial law is proclaimed. Added to that powers within the various Public Health Act provide similar powers to the State's CMO.

 

 

The existence of the States is confirmed by the Constitution which divides the powers between the Commonwealth and the States (amongst other things). In a DEMOCRACY the only thing that stands between a popularly (?) elected government and a tyranny is the Constitution. The problem in Australia is that we have never had to rescue the nation from a Government acting unconstitutionally by force and as such regard the Constitution of some sort of mildly relevant quaint document.

If serious efforts were made to teach civics from an early age we may have a nation with a population that respects the Constitution and all that flows from it.

 

Well put. Trouble is our nation is now too fractured, too divided, much like a rudderless ship with no destination, we just drift from one reef to another barely keeping afloat!

[spacesailor]

" Again well said! Our corrupt divided Govt carpet bombed the whole country in order to stop their stuff ups in the first place, now we are ALL paying for it! "

NOT ALL.

ScMo grabbed his payrise,

Just the lower class got the government Freeze.

spacesailor

[Flightrite]

" Again well said! Our corrupt divided Govt carpet bombed the whole country in order to stop their stuff ups in the first place, now we are ALL paying for it! "

NOT ALL.

ScMo grabbed his payrise,

Just the lower class got the government Freeze.

spacesailor

 

"Paying for it" doesn't necessarily mean in monetary terms!!

[Yenn]

We could do away with the states, but from how all governments have handled the covid pandemic where would we be. The feds and the states have stuffed up twice, first the Ruby Princess, which maybe we could accept as a mistake, but secondly the livestock carrier. From those happenings I prefer to stick with my state. Having said that I think it is getting very close to time to allow NSW and SA residents to come North, but am not so sure about Victorians.

Hard to say that as my daughter and her family are in Victoria.

[Bruce Tuncks]

We have a friend who lives in Sydney and we want her to visit the farm in western vic. Would that be allowed at the moment? She would drive over.

[Garfly]

How US flight schools are coping:

 

[Flightrite]

Been fine flying WX of late, these wind mills are popping up like mushrooms these days!??

[M61A1]

Been fine flying WX of late, these wind mills are popping up like mushrooms these days!??

Where are those ones? We’ve got a huge crop of them sprung up just west of the Bunyas. This was taken over 12 months ago, there’s heaps more now.