How has COVID 19 affected your flying or intended flying

[turboplanner]

You are borderline hysterical there!

No, he's just telling it like it unfolded from the Minister for Health (Vic) and Police Commissioner (Vic) today.

the first 12 locals went into hospital yesterday and we now have 3 dead, so that will start to compound.

[octave]

I don't intend to infect anyone

 

 

Do you understand that you would be contagious before you show symptoms.

[Thruster88]

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

 

For anyone who likes data.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I am sure younger, fit or otherwise healthy people who contract it and the succumb are not in the same category of numbers as those who have underlying issues or at risk age group, etc, however, here is, sadly, another: Coronavirus victim, 21, 'had no health issues'. Now, what happens if it is your daugher, sister, niece or that of a close friend.

 

A lady in the village lost both her Aunt and Uncle to COVID-19; both well into their 80s, but it doesn't make the pain any less for the survivors.. and they were reasonably fir for their age, too.

 

I happen to live next door to a couple who are both specialists at the local hospital; I have to say, until the conversation I has with them, I was a little, "this is over the top - as even if we all isolate, it will lay there dormant until we start mingling again".. Yes, it will if we don't wait at least 2 or so more weeks after there are NO MORE reported cases. But, as one who is an epedemiologist pointed out to me, once it dies; it dies...

 

I agree the flu kills many 10s of thousands of people a year; I agree that life is not a guarantee; But this is a beast that doesn't appear to only pick off the weak.. the problem is, it is unpredictable in its impact and many more people require intensive care to get through than the flu... And if we allow the infection rate to get up, we won't have the resources to handle the demand and the death rates will rise above what they are now.. It is not a great picture. The next door neighbours live in fear that they will have to decide who gets the ICU bed and who doesn't... You can bet your bottom dollar, when it gets to that, the "at risk" groups will cover a lot more people.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Jerry_Atrick

[turboplanner]

I am sure younger, fit or otherwise healthy people who contract it and the succumb are not in the same category of numbers as those who have underlying issues or at risk age group, etc, however, here is, sadly, another: Coronavirus victim, 21, 'had no health issues'. Now, what happens if it is your daugher, sister, niece or that of a close friend.

The first to be admitted to hospital in Melbourne a couple of days ago had a young demographic; 25s to 60s, but the sample was ony 12 and they haven't said if there were underlying illnesses such as pneumonia.

 

I happen to live next door to a couple who are both specialists at the local hospital; I have to say, until the conversation I has with them, I was a little, "this is over the top - as even if we all isolate, it will lay there dormant until we start mingling again".. Yes, it will if we don't wait at least 2 or so more weeks after there are NO MORE reported cases. But, as one who is an epedemiologist pointed out to me, once it dies; it dies...

Yes, if you imagine them as little mites than can crawl from your nasal excretions, and only have a life of about five hours where the spray lands it helps to visualise it (they are not mites).

 

I agree the flu kills many 10s of thousands of people a year

We lost most of January to inertia after we were being told by the infotrain that the 2019 flu season was one of the worst on record and killed 15,000 and the Coronavirus would kill less so people were just spreading hysteria.

In fact the flu only killed 100 last year in Australia, so no comparison.

[Mewp]

And what does it say about private flying? I cannot figure it out.

 

Having read the federal and Victorian publications I cannot see any legal reason prohibiting private flying if you comply with the 4sqm directive and boarder restrictions. My opinion is the government would like everyone to remain isolated as much as possible but the regulations in place do not prohibit movement so travelling by yourself to a private hangar to operate a private aircraft appears to me to be quite legal. I say this as an aerial spray chopper just flew overhead to work on a nearby property.

[Flying Binghi]

I am sure younger, fit or otherwise healthy people who contract it and the succumb are not in the same category of numbers as those who have underlying issues or at risk age group, etc, however, here is, sadly, another: Coronavirus victim, 21, 'had no health issues'...

 

 

How do we know she “had no health issues” ?

 

All I can see from the limited info available is she had no known health issues.

 

Do we have an autopsy report yet?

 

I’d be checking to see were she vegan? Might be mentioned on her facebook page - I’m not a member so can not check.

 

Vegan/vegetarians are notorious for being unhealthy low in B12 and iron - thats the stuff that gets oxygen to the blood.

 

 

 

 

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[Bruce Tuncks]

I tried in vain for information about flying. Getting a big fine would ruin your day .

So I tried looking up golf, and they say that while clubhouses must be closed, you can still play as long as you observe social distancing.

Right now I'm at the farm in Victoria and want to be flown back in a Lancair to Gawler to collect my Jabiru.

Can anybody see a problem with this? There will be 2 of us in the Lancair going there but one in each plane coming back.

[Flying Binghi]

 

...and only have a life of about five hours where the spray lands it helps to visualise it...

 

 

There were mention that when they were checking/cleaning one of the infected occupant cruise ship cabins they found viable China virus at 17 days after pax departed.

 

Found a link: Coronavirus can survive on a surface for 17 days, says the CDC

 

 

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[turboplanner]

Having read the federal and Victorian publications I cannot see any legal reason prohibiting private flying if you comply with the 4sqm directive and boarder restrictions. My opinion is the government would like everyone to remain isolated as much as possible but the regulations in place do not prohibit movement so travelling by yourself to a private hangar to operate a private aircraft appears to me to be quite legal. I say this as an aerial spray chopper just flew overhead to work on a nearby property.

The aerial spray chopper is probably considered essential industry - some sections of industry are still working.

[Bruce Tuncks]

The use of the word "china virus " reminds me of the use of " spanish " for the 1918 flu.

The warring countries all censored news of the flu and killed lots more than necessary. Spain was neutral and so they told the story in their papers.

A similar story about condoms... when I was a kid, we called them " frenchies " while the French called them "english hoods ". This was actually more correct since they were an english invention.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Bruce Tuncks

[turboplanner]

I tried in vain for information about flying. Getting a big fine would ruin your day .

So I tried looking up golf, and they say that while clubhouses must be closed, you can still play as long as you observe social distancing.

Right now I'm at the farm in Victoria and want to be flown back in a Lancair to Gawler to collect my Jabiru.

Can anybody see a problem with this? There will be 2 of us in the Lancair going there but one in each plane coming back.

SA borders are closed; if you cross the border you have to register (on the road borders it's with the SA Police) and go into two weeks isolation. If you want to go back to the farm and cross into Victoria its another two weeks after you cross (and Victoria is just about to go into total lock down, starfting to give estimates for last ventilators earlier this morning). The story from the Sout East is the Edenhope supermarket was stripped about a week ago by profiteers. Police on the Pinnaroo Crossing, but Bordertwon and Mount Gambier was a complete stuff up with caravans coming through on Wednesday; probably locked down now.

I was going to write something about the complications of Adelaide Edenhope, but didn't think you'd be venturing out of Adelaide.

2000 Americans travelled from Melbourne through the south east a couple of weeks ago and left two positive for the virus in Mount Gambier and one in Penola - pretty close to Edenhope. That was the group that was finally caught up with in the Barossa Valley.

[turboplanner]

More from SESA

Police are manning the border crossings

The American tourists have left a positive case in Coonawarra, so all the wineries are in lockdown.

Two of the American tourists absconded from SA isolation and managed to get on a flight to the US, so there will be a trail of contamination through the towns they stopped at.

People are pretty jittery over there now.

[M61A1]

Private flying alone is not a problem, however we have two stories around here.

 

One of a woman who presented with symptoms, probably not COVID, but caution is appropriate, who is told to go home and isolate for 14 days. Said woman decides she should do her shopping on the way home.

 

Another case arrived from India 4 days ago, but decides she really must have her hair cut.

[Flying Binghi]

Will you be unmoved if you get it and give it to someone else who dies? Perhaps even the medical staff who look after you.

 

NYC Nurse Who Treated COVID-19 Patients Dies as One Hospital Reports 13 Deaths in 24 Hours

 

He were relatively young so I did a brief search to glean a bit of back ground...

 

“...An assistant nursing manager at a New York City hospital, who told his family he believed he had contracted the coronavirus after being exposed at work, died Tuesday evening, his sister told NBC News.

 

The death of Kious Jordan Kelly, 48, was confirmed by Mount Sinai Hospital. It comes amid an escalating crisis in New York in which hospitals are faced with surging numbers of coronavirus patients and shortages of crucial medical equipment and protective gear for staffers.

 

Kelly suffered from severe asthma... ..He was born with a hole in his lung...”

 

http://ahealthynews.com/2020/03/26/theres-only-going-to-be-more-nyc-nurse-dies-after-contracting-coronavirus-nbcnews-com/

 

 

Very sad. Though you got to question just why he were allowed to be at that particular care area ?

 

 

 

 

 

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[turboplanner]

Very sad. Though you got to question just why he were allowed to be at that particular care area ?

He was probably told by the local golf club that it was OK, or a guy at the local servo said "We're all doing it.

[octave]

Very sad. Though you got to question just why he were allowed to be at that particular care area ?

 

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There is a shortage of medical staff. Retired medical workers are being called out of retirement. The article highlights a lack of personal protection equipment. Why was he working there? My theory would be he would have known the risks but selflessly did what he could.

 

You seem to be in a state of denial. Although young people are unlikely to get it, it does happen. I am not sure how old you are but it is important to understand that there are other risk factors such as heart disease, hypertension, diabetes or cancer past or present. There are many people who have undiagnosed heart disease or hypertension or diabetes.

 

I heard some rough figures today that said 20% of cases require hospitalisation. If 1 million people get it that means 200000 people requiring a hospital bed. It makes a great difference what time frame these beds are required over hence the need to spread the infection over a longer time frame. Whilst you personally might have a low but not zero chance of complications it still means a hospital system that could be unavailable to you should you have car accident or other illness.

 

This video is by a doctor working in this area although he is in isolation at the moment. He addresses some of the points you raise.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofSLpDQx1bA:608

[Flying Binghi]

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There is a shortage of medical staff. Retired medical workers are being called out of retirement. The article highlights a lack of personal protection equipment. Why was he working there? My theory would be he would have known the risks but selflessly did what he could.

 

You seem to be in a state of denial...

 

 

And yet not all media that i read re the chaps demise noted his pre-existing health conditions - fear mungering..?

 

Just because there is a shortage of medical staff do not mean you put a doctor with lung ailments to serve China virus patients! The chap were guaranteed to get the virus and he were also guaranteed to need intense medical care - taking up valuable bed space. If those in charge knew of his lung conditions then stupidity it were. Imagine if it happened in Italy where they were letting people over 65(?) die because they had insufficient medical facilities. That chap would be treated because he is under 65.

 

 

I’m wondering what this “state of denial” is i’m Under..?..?

 

 

 

 

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Edited March 27, 2020 by Flying Binghi

[octave]

And yet not all media that i read re the chaps demise noted his pre-existing health conditions - fear mungering..?

 

Just because there is a shortage of medical staff do not mean you put a doctor with lung ailments to serve China virus patients! The chap were guaranteed to get the virus and he were also guaranteed to need intense medical care - taking up valuable bed space.

 

So what is it you think should happen? Give us your prescription.

[Kenlsa]

Bruce, flew a jolly today after speaking to our CFI who said it was OK as it was my own a/c.

But crossing the Vic state line means you will have to spend 14 days in isolation!

BTW my iPad played up with the OzR data update of the 26 March, though the iPhone still worked. I am in an email conversation with Jake at OzR to figure out why.

Ken

[onetrack]

I'm just waiting to see how much F-B's opinions change, when he gets the COVID-19 virus!

[turboplanner]

I tried in vain for information about flying. Getting a big fine would ruin your day .

So I tried looking up golf, and they say that while clubhouses must be closed, you can still play as long as you observe social distancing.

Right now I'm at the farm in Victoria and want to be flown back in a Lancair to Gawler to collect my Jabiru.

Can anybody see a problem with this? There will be 2 of us in the Lancair going there but one in each plane coming back.

If you still happen to be at the farm here in Victoria:

 

I checked with CASA, and they are not making the decisions on who flies; the State Department of Health is making those decisions, and currently it is based on the big bold statement below.

 

Similarly CFIs aren't authorised to override Department of Health. The Chief Medical officers are making the decisions, and the Commonwealth and State Governments are following those decisions, and we don't have the authority to invent our own logic and twist it around until, bingo! we can fly.

The Victorian Premier has laid out very clearly what he expects of us over this weekend:

"IF YOU CAN STAY HOME YOU MUST STAY HOME"

 

He gave this address about an hour ago; Please look at it understand it (The two week self-isolation is over; arrivals will be doing the two weeks under supervision of Police and ADF, going to other states may be doing their two weeks in Melbourne)

[SplitS]

Section 92 of the Australian constitution makes the whole state boarder closed thing illegal. No if's or but's There is no higher law than the constitution if there is a conflict between laws the constitution trumps it. Declaring a state of emergency makes zero difference.

[onetrack]

Under the National Security provisions of the Constitution, the Govt executive is empowered to enact any action needed to ward off any threat deemed to pose a threat to the existence of the Nation.

Closing State borders is well within those National Security powers.

[SplitS]

Under the National Security provisions of the Constitution, the Govt executive is empowered to enact any action needed to ward off any threat deemed to pose a threat to the existence of the Nation.

Closing State borders is well within those National Security powers.

Just because you think that's true does not make it so.

https://emergencylaw.wordpress.com/2019/12/25/what-is-a-national-emergency/