Apparently happening now in UK

[red750]

While doing some research for the Showcase, the following came up on one of the pages. I don't know any more than this, didn't follow it through, but thought you might find it interesting.

 

[kaz3g]

https://www.pilotweb.aero/news/maintenance-flights-allowed-despite-lockdown-1-6612735

[Old Koreelah]

Good to hear, Red.

I applaud your choice of aircraft to illustrate the story!

[Student Pilot]

Jodel a much underrated aircraft

[Jerry_Atrick]

That has technically always been the case...

[red750]

Good to hear, Red.

I applaud your choice of aircraft to illustrate the story!

Thanks, O.K., but not my photo choice. That was the photo on the tweet that I Snipped and inserted.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Jodels are very popular inthe UK.. The main flying magazines - Pilot and Flyer - bothof which I subscribe to - have more and more about LAA/permit (RAA equivalent) than GA in them these days. But that is where the industry is heading and Europe as some pretty cool manufacturers...

[lee-wave]

https://www.pilotweb.aero/news/maintenance-flights-allowed-despite-lockdown-1-6612735

While this news is correct people here in the UK , myself included , are still reluctant to fly. The main concern being upsetting locals who would not be aware of this CAA dispensation. I know of someone who had a flyover by the Surrey Police helicopter just for taxying up and down on his private strip...some over zealous local reported to the police of an aircraft accident / incident to which the police are obliged to investigate....even under normal flying operations I am extremely cautious in noise abatement and low flying over the villages...to invite even one complaint under these lock down times will not do GA any favours...

[turboplanner]

While this news is correct people here in the UK , myself included , are still reluctant to fly. The main concern being upsetting locals who would not be aware of this CAA dispensation. I know of someone who had a flyover by the Surrey Police helicopter just for taxying up and down on his private strip...some over zealous local reported to the police of an aircraft accident / incident to which the police are obliged to investigate....even under normal flying operations I am extremely cautious in noise abatement and low flying over the villages...to invite even one complaint under these lock down times will not do GA any favours...

This is a good point. Protecting your industry is everything in these times when protecting the future freedoms to fly for recreation are secondary to what's coming in the economic world. People who have been thrown out of work are not going to be too enthusiastic about someone persuing a hobby or sport.

[Bruce Tuncks]

Turbs, you are raising the question of inequality in society. Flying is a tiny aspect of this, and it is not true to conclude we are all rich.

The growing inequality should be of concern though. Mind you, the richest guy I know is a good bloke. There is quite a lot to be said for rule by the rich.

But look at the USA where the richest 1% own 39% of the wealth and the poorest 50% own MINUS 2%.

[turboplanner]

Turbs, you are raising the question of inequality in society. Flying is a tiny aspect of this, and it is not true to conclude we are all rich.

The growing inequality should be of concern though. Mind you, the richest guy I know is a good bloke. There is quite a lot to be said for rule by the rich.

But look at the USA where the richest 1% own 39% of the wealth and the poorest 50% own MINUS 2%.

I was actually warning about Human Nature; in our Australian society inequality is normally a choice.

I notice that a predicted unemployment rate of around 10% is predicted for Australia by the Financial industries and that has been consistent for the past few weeks. We could live with that as a group (not if you were unemployed quite well while we recovered because 10 - 12% unemployment and double digit interest rates were common about 25 years ago.

In fact this week the sections of the financial industry itself are calling for the lockdown to be extended if necessary to eradicate the virus faster because that will produce a better outcome.

[Student Pilot]

The actual rate of unemployment will be a lot higher than predicted, the same as the quoted rate now is not the actual rate. The actual rate will be closer to 30%. With causal jobs now being the norm and either under employment (If you work 1 hour a week you are considered employed) or working 60 hours a week and only being paid for 40 is standard practice, this will only get worse when jobs are harder to get. Before virus unpaid overtime was standard practice with most work, when work does resume you there will be a big hit in wages and conditions.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Back to topic, the CAA instructions here: COVID 19 | UK Civil Aviation Authority say

Engine health flights. The main way of maintaining engine health during COVID restrictions should be through winterisation or inhibition. Engine health flights are only permitted, where required by the engine manufacturer or equivalent LAA/BMAA procedures for Permit-to-Fly aircraft. Flights must follow those procedures and there must be a four-week gap between flights. Each flight must be no more than 30 minutes (or as recommended by the engine manufacturer in order to prevent internal engine corrosion). Aircraft should aim to remain within the airfield circuit. Unless safety of flight requirements dictate, the aircraft should not travel beyond a 10nm radius of its departure aerodrome and no dynamic manoeuvring activity should be flown. Each flight should be at the highest practical height to minimise to the noise impact on members of the public maintaining social distancing, and not below 1,000ft AGL except for take-off, approach and landing. If the engine manufacturer's instructions indicate that the engine only needs to be run at idle or at low power whilst on the ground and no other essential maintenance is required, then no flight may be performed.

 

So definitely not a free for all and inhibit where it can be.

[pmccarthy]

What happens here in Oz when the annual is due and you have to fly to a LAME? I wonder if you need to get a permit to fly later when the restriction is lifted and whether the usual high fee will apply.

[turboplanner]

What happens here in Oz when the annual is due and you have to fly to a LAME? I wonder if you need to get a permit to fly later when the restriction is lifted and whether the usual high fee will apply.

CASA are still operating so you can email them; I would imahine you would apply for a permit quoting the Coronavirus circumstances, but they could tell you exactly.

As for "the usual high fee", Qantas have lost millions, Virgin look like going broke, tens of thousands of people in aviation have lost their jobs, hundreds of thousands of Australians have lost their jobs, many could lose their homes etc. Your permit cost would fit in somewhere behind those in the urgency queue I would think.

[M61A1]

Turbs, you are raising the question of inequality in society. Flying is a tiny aspect of this, and it is not true to conclude we are all rich.

The growing inequality should be of concern though. Mind you, the richest guy I know is a good bloke. There is quite a lot to be said for rule by the rich.

But look at the USA where the richest 1% own 39% of the wealth and the poorest 50% own MINUS 2%.

This whole idea is usually not what it seems.

The wealthiest people do not remain the wealthiest and that top number is always changing.

The Pareto distribution applied to pretty much everything.....A small percentage of people have most of the wealth, and a small percentage of people do most of the productive work.

If you earn more than around $32K PA, you are in the top 1% of earners in the world.

 

While this news is correct people here in the UK , myself included , are still reluctant to fly. The main concern being upsetting locals who would not be aware of this CAA dispensation

 

Then the best thing to do would be to get out there and fly and make it "normal".

[Marty_d]

This whole idea is usually not what it seems.

The wealthiest people do not remain the wealthiest and that top number is always changing.

The Pareto distribution applied to pretty much everything.....A small percentage of people have most of the wealth, and a small percentage of people do most of the productive work.

If you earn more than around $32K PA, you are in the top 1% of earners in the world.

 

 

 

Then the best thing to do would be to get out there and fly and make it "normal".

 

Depends what you mean by "productive", really.

 

It could be argued that an unpaid mother raising her children to have great social skills and good character is far more productive than the CEO of a hedge fund which produces nothing, and creates nothing. Yet one is paid nothing and the other tens of millions.

[Mike Gearon]

Depends what you mean by "productive", really.

 

It could be argued that an unpaid mother raising her children to have great social skills and good character is far more productive than the CEO of a hedge fund which produces nothing, and creates nothing. Yet one is paid nothing and the other tens of millions.

100% agreed.

[facthunter]

Just depends on which CLUB you are in really. Nev

[Mike Gearon]

.A small percentage of people have most of the wealth, and a small percentage of people do most of the productive work.

Yes, a small % have most of the wealth. That’s a problem.

 

I can’t understand the small percentage doing productive work. What’s the definition of unproductive work? If we are talking pure communism or socialism we can point them out. Our capitalist system guarantees most are productive or won’t be employed. Even government departments don’t seem safe for slackers these days.

[M61A1]

Depends what you mean by "productive", really.

 

It could be argued that an unpaid mother raising her children to have great social skills and good character is far more productive than the CEO of a hedge fund which produces nothing, and creates nothing. Yet one is paid nothing and the other tens of millions.

What that means is that in any employment situation a small portion of the people do most of the work.

Someone paid the mother to do what she is doing, whether it was welfare or a partner, someone has paid.

 

When most people talk about "wealthy people" having all the money what they really mean is anyone richer than them.

[facthunter]

The facts are out there about distribution of wealth. It's a world wide phenomenon.. (and cause of much concern) A couple of million won't buy you much in Sydney, but in many other places it's more than you would ever need to live well.. It's relative. Lots of money buys lots of influence and that can help to make lots more money and that's not democracy but is a good business plan if you can get away with it..

Equal opportunity I do believe in. ONE person ONE vote. and have a method for getting an informed vote and an education for all.. Certainly not a cast system as India HAS.. or any form of Totalitarian state no matter how "inspired" the would be Dictator fancies himself /herself but it's usually a BLOKE.. Nev

[Marty_d]

What that means is that in any employment situation a small portion of the people do most of the work.

Someone paid the mother to do what she is doing, whether it was welfare or a partner, someone has paid.

 

When most people talk about "wealthy people" having all the money what they really mean is anyone richer than them.

 

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think that way. My boss gets about $20k more than me, his boss gets about $30k more than him, etc etc up to the person running the organisation who's on about half a mil. I don't count any of them as exceptionally wealthy.

 

For me, I think there's a point around where someone is getting 10x or more the average income, which in Australia is around $86k. At that point I start looking at them and thinking "Do you do 10 times more work, or provide 10 times more value to society, than the average worker?"

 

Obviously value can be measured in lots of ways. Some careers such as doctors probably get paid commensurate with the public good they do (although at the top of the specialists, it could be argued that they charge a bit much). Some others like police, nurses, firies, teachers, early childhood workers, disability carers, etc etc, don't usually get paid enough for their value to society. Some far less than others.

When it comes to the arts, pretty much everyone is struggling - authors, artists, actors, musicians - except for an extremely limited few who strike it big in publishing or Hollywood and then get incomes which are thousands of times what the rest of their industry gets.

 

At the other end of the scale you have the aforementioned hedge funds and other financial industries who do not produce anything of value, they just manipulate financial systems. For them it's a zero-sum game and every dollar that they make comes at a loss to someone else in the market.

[facthunter]

IF you need to drive a roller or such to show you've arrived, you deserve all the extra cost and inconvenience and rip off servicing you bring upon yourself. I'm sure there are far better" bang for your buck", ways to get about but you should be free to buy the thing unless you've stolen the money if that's what rings your bell.. Some people just always wanted to drive a Rolls Royce. Actually they are quite affordable if you wait a few years, but thinking that it will impress people is carsales technique. They all look pretty much the same these days. and it's ONLY a bloody CAR anyhow that gets stuck in traffic like any other.

Now IF the Qantas CEO was really as good as his salary would justify. Eleventy times as much as God gets. Qantas wouldn't NEED Government handouts. Nev

[old man emu]

It has been said before that the big money that a person with big money spends is the money that ultimately pays the factory worker's wage. We tend to focus on the extravagance of the wealthy and forget that what they pay for extravagance flows down to the widow's mite.