E-Props ...who has first hand experience with these

[APenNameAndThatA]

On 10/09/2021 at 11:24 AM, facthunter said:

 Maybe to the OFF topic section for your Humour. It's certainly got nothing to do with the thread topic. Nev

As far as I can tell, it is not possible to post to the off topic forum. Besides, I enjoy the off topic comments. 

[eightyknots]

On 16/09/2021 at 3:07 PM, Garfly said:

Savannahs of Sardinia  - some with floats and E-props:

 

 

It is great to hear the real-world experience of this Savannah owner. He said that he was so "satisfied" with the E-props that he decided not to change out the engine for a more powerful one.

 

Thanks for sharing.

[Kyle Communications]

There is a couple in NZ now Hank. One is flying the other about to. The one who is flying with it is loving it. Much better than the orginal

 

 

[Garfly]

And now for the E-Legs ?? 😉

Claimed to be something like half the weight and 4 times the strength of aluminium equivalent.

(vid in French - rough auto translation available in YT.)

 

 

 

 

[Bernie]

20 hours ago, Garfly said:

And now for the E-Legs ?? 😉

Claimed to be something like half the weight and 4 times the strength of aluminium equivalent.

(vid in French - rough auto translation available in YT.)

 

 

 

 

I couldn't understand him, was he talking metric

[Bruce Tuncks]

The weight savings convince me. At the same efficiency, there is a big win for our type of plane with a 4kg weight saving.

If you also changed to a LiFe battery and the e-prop landing gear, you may be able to save 15kg total. Wow, that would transform many planes. Bugger it, I need to lose weight too.

[CT9000]

Remembering that it is generally easier to get weight off the pilot than the aeroplane 

[Kyle Communications]

I will ask Eprops if they have a Jabiru carbon undercarriage planned. I ahve also asked for a update yesterday on the status of the prop development for the Jab

 

[Garfly]

Mark, it looks like the legs they've already announced are Skyranger ones, is that right?

I wonder what they cost.

[Kyle Communications]

I will ask and see...The SkyRanger is popular over there..also their test aircraft

 

[jackc]

Might be a good solution for a Thruster, too!

[Blueadventures]

41 minutes ago, Kyle Communications said:

I will ask and see...The SkyRanger is popular over there..also their test aircraft

 

Be good to know load eg 450 or 600kg loading and an image on a Skyranger would be good to see.

[Garfly]

If I understand the claims made in the video, these legs are four to five times tougher than aluminium ones. So, on the face of it, I guess they'd be way over-spec even for the new 600Kg version.

 

We'll have to wait and see, even whether they are offering Ranger/Nynja legs. 

 

In any case, another interesting development in the more strength for less weight carbon fibre stakes.

[facthunter]

I don't know the actual weight of a Skyranger U/C but it's quite thick aluminium. Any weight saved helps. Nev

[skippydiesel]

Are the legs available in different dimensions ? (ie for different aircraft)

[Garfly]

In the video the chap says that their first models are for the Super Guépard (another French design - see pic - very similar to the Skyranger) but that legs for others will follow. 

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Garfly

[Kyle Communications]

I have asked the question of Eprop and suggested some models and if they are going to make them..Skyranger/Ninja/jabiru/ Savannah ....will see what comes back

Will see what comes back as well as I have asked about any further info on the Jab prop

 

Busy week this week...3 props ordered and one of them is the CSU (Glorious) one

 

 

 

[Marty_d]

If they do Savannah legs then Zenith CH701 is a straight swap too... good place to put a lighter component too because it's not far away from CG.

[Kyle Communications]

Eprop is such a great company to deal with...always get back to me almost any day of the week.

 

Ok they are very satisfied with the new Jabiru prop.

The issue is they just do not have enough space at the current factory to keep doing what they are doing. You may have seen some posts where they are currently building a huge new factory. They are pushed to the limits with orders and space

So the upshot of this is until they get the new factory up and running they wont be producing the new jab prop or any of the undercarriages because they just dont have the physical room to store all the molds and for the new machinery they have designed and built to make them all.

They should have this operation by "spring"  so for them thats early in the new year.

 

[meglin]

It may seem strange to someone, but for a spring, it is not weight and strength that are important, but the ability to bend and the ability to absorb energy. Therefore, I do not understand the excessive strength of the spring. It is important for me to know first of all the course of the spring. We produce our own fiberglass springs for our aircraft. Why fiberglass? Because it has a lower elastic modulus, it is more flexible. The operating stroke of the spring is 200+ / -20 mm. This allows you to significantly reduce the overload during landing.

[Garfly]

If you watch the video, the E-Prop man does not only (or mainly) use the word 'strength'.  That was my own rough (non-technical) short-hand.

 

Here is the translation provided in the YouTube video description:

 

"  E-PROPS works daily to propose solutions for a lighter and more efficient aviation. In this fight against useless masses, here is the new Composite Landing Gears for ultralight aircraft. The landing gear (the two composite legs) weighs 2 kg. Mass saving compared to metallic landing gear = 5.4 kg. The E-PROPS composite landing gear legs offer : - 4 times more max. deformation - 6 times more energy max. absorbed than the existing landing gear legs. E-PROPS composite landings gears : weight saving, mechanical strength gain, better damping. Info here :

https://aircraft.e-props.fr/trains.php   "

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2021 by Garfly

[Thruster88]

A spring cannot absorb energy or am I missing something.  

[meglin]

Laminated plastic, unlike metal, can. The layers rub against each other and turn energy into heat.

[Garfly]

18 minutes ago, Thruster88 said:

A spring cannot absorb energy or am I missing something.  

 

I don't think anyone's saying that Thruster.  It's just that I (mis)used words like 'strength' and 'tougher' to describe what the video was claiming for the new legs when, to be precise, 'max. deformation' and 'energy absorbed' are, as meglin points out, more relevant measures (and what's actually claimed in the vid.)

 

(Or maybe I'm missing something.   ;- )

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2021 by Garfly

[facthunter]

The "DAMPING" aspect needs to be explained. The effect might be something to do with the natural harmonics  of lighter material. Damping needs friction and that needs elements moving against  each other. It takes force to deform a spring but it returns it when  that force reduces.  That's why undamped legs can make you bounce so well. A properly damped undercarriage is far easier to land with as it removes some of the energy Nev