turboplanner Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Oh SSCBD yo must not jest. I tried to cross SA border and copped this. Knew what he was aiming at too.
SplitS Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Sweden got it mostly right They failed to protect the elderly well enough but their death toll is very similar to their neighbors Only 70 under 50's have died in Sweden. If Australia let it rip that would be a little over 160 deaths under 50's. Or around 40 days worth of suicide's Also worth noting anyone who tested positive for covid in the last 30 days is counted as a covid death(Sweden). You have to use all cause mortality to see whats going on. It has not moved out side the average. 2 minute youtube video explains it better than I can. WHO say's covid 19 no longer a pandemic. WHO no longer uses ‘pandemic’ category, but COVID-19 still emergency Covid 19 scare for the mathematical illiterate 1
octave Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 WHO say's covid 19 no longer a pandemic. WHO no longer uses ‘pandemic’ category, but COVID-19 still emergency That is quite an old article, Feb 20 a lot has happened since then. Apart from that the article is misleading. The tittle claims that WHO no longer consider covid 19 a pandemic (FEB 20) but in the body of the article claims that there is actually no official category for pandemic and the word pandemic is a colloquial term. this does not equate with a change in status. 1
Flightrite Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Oh SSCBD yo must not jest. I tried to cross SA border and copped this. It's a Jab, I'd shoot at it too!??? 1 1
Butch Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Sorry To be pedantic but Malaria is not a contagious disease, it is it does not spread between humans in the way covid or flu does. It can only be caught from a particular type of mosquito or blood transfusion/organ transplant etc. Your 100 % right Octave. My point was that the Malaria has been killing hundreds of thousands of people for years. There is no panic because it's a fact of life and it doesn't affect the average white Westerner. Not so with Covid 19 ! That's why there's such a reaction.
M61A1 Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Well, we could always try Swedens approach - take the hands-off approach, and let the virus run rampant. But for just 10.1M population, they have 73,000 cases and 5,400 deaths, and I don't know how their health system continues to operate without collapsing. In addition, there has been no quantifiable economic gain by letting the virus run rampant. The projections are that Swedens economy will shrink by 4.5% this financial year. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-high-death-toll-no-economic-gain-data-2020-7 I've never said you can only do one thing or the other, both at the extremes. There is middle ground here, There are other options between full lockdown and do nothing. I did read an article just the other day where Sweden's Chief medical person said the only thing he would have done differently would have been to more to protect the vulnerable, but Sweden's fatalities have started to drop off, which apparently indicates they have reached a point where enough people have had it to have reached some form of resistance. All we have done is the medical equivalent of hiding under the bed. It won't go away, and we have to come out sometime. 1
octave Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 Your 100 % right Octave. My point was that the Malaria has been killing hundreds of thousands of people for years. There is no panic because it's a fact of life and it doesn't affect the average white Westerner. Not so with Covid 19 ! That's why there's such a reaction. I understand and accept your point. I wouldn't say that the world ignores malaria, the Gates foundation has been focused on it for years. The thing with covid is that it is everywhere including the third world. In 2018 Malaria killed approximately 405000 people worldwide. So far coid has claimed 0ver 560000 in a little over 6 months. 1
old man emu Posted July 11, 2020 Posted July 11, 2020 The worst part of the pandemic is that you can't see the little buggers that are causing it. With malaria or Ross River Fever, you can see the vectors that are carrying it, but not these ultra-tiny objects. It now appears that it's not the larger spherical droplets that are the problem, but the suspension of the virus itself in the air. We are all familiar with the presence of particulate pollutants in the air and how they remain suspended for who knows how long. The same id happening with the virus. It is even smaller than the smallest measurable pollutant particle, so it will remain suspended in air for ages. That really makes the case for wearing a filtering mask when moving through places where numbers of people are also moving. Despite our best efforts to regularly wash our hands, what about the rest of our exposed skin and clothing? If the virus is floating in the air, then it has just as much chance of landing on your face, in your hair, or on your arms. Then there's the rest of your body covered in clothing. If hording is the way to go, I'd horde laundry detergent and bath soap.
kgwilson Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Malaria is not contagious and stopping the little blighters from biting you is not difficult. It just requires a lot of diligence. This is a bit different to someting that is transmitted in the air by someone who doesn't know they have it. 1
facthunter Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 This little Bugga is extremely contagious. That's been amply demonstrated by how quickly it's moved in Victoria, when people relaxed too early and stopped distancing and more..The same thing happened in South Korea. Up to that stage Both areas were doing extremely well. It moves WITH people. We have a large mobility factor which is being restricted now. . No ONE "thing" is the complete answer in itself. Effective action is the sum of a lot of appropriate things being done thoroughly. A small number of lapses will ruin it (as it HAS). Most of the entire world is STILL worse off than the worst here but we can still join them if we stop trying. Nev 1 1
Yenn Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Hand washing could be better explained. THe real reason for it is to stop us carrying the virus from what we touch, to our mouth or eyes. It would be better to say don't touch your face with your hands, As far as other countries go China is outstanding, they have hardly any cases per million head of population. Better than us in fact.
APenNameAndThatA Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Covid 19 hasn't come close to the impact of Malaria. Maybe because Covid 19 affects all the Worlds population not mainly Third World Country's there's a mad panic. There have never been any restrictions banning travel to infected Nations and nobody really cares ! "Over one million people die from malaria each year, mostly children under five years of age, with 90 per cent of malaria cases occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa. An estimated 300-600 million people suffer from malaria each year. More than 40 percent of the world’s population lives in malaria-risk areas" First of all, there has not been a mad panic. There are no travel bans to countries with malaria because people know to take antimalarials and they can't reinfect others on their return home. Just because other people have worse health is no reason for people in rich countries to not preserve their health. Your post was beyond stupid.
APenNameAndThatA Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Oh for gods sake turbs and aro - THIS POST WAS DONE TONGUE IN CHECK. Looks like you have had way to much of chairman Dans Kool Aid. You own the question. The person who answers owns the answer. 1
facthunter Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Agreed, and the thread has a life of it's own (within moderator limits). A reminder of a "Back to topic" need/ request can be timely . I see "own" and "responsible for" as interchangeable. Nev
M61A1 Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Firstly, just so you know, the word Mexicans is highly offensive to Victorian I would have thought that it was highly offensive to Mexicans if anyone. We are under the control of the Chief Health Officer, not Dan No, Dan is in charge, he just chooses to take the advice of the medical officer, unless it's in regard to Bacon Lettuce and Mayo protests. But you knew that. 1 2
turboplanner Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Hand washing could be better explained. THe real reason for it is to stop us carrying the virus from what we touch, to our mouth or eyes. It would be better to say don't touch your face with your hands, As far as other countries go China is outstanding, they have hardly any cases per million head of population. Better than us in fact. It was confusing to a lot of people back at the beginning because the emphasis was on not touching your face, and explanations about how hard it was not to touch your face - no argument there, but then shops, restaurants fast food outlets, supermarkets, Bunnings etc put hand sanitisers at the doors and it was easy to get into a routine where you used it before you entered, so there was no chance of contact spread when you picked up merchandise, sat at ta matter if you touched your facebles etc, and you used it on the way out, so if someone else hadn't sanitised or there was virus material on the product you picked up it didn't matter if you touched your face because the virus had been neutralised. Add that to keeping that separation distance at around two metres and there are still dense suburbs where the virus cases since March are in single figures. If you look at the five million Melbourne population the Wave 2 infections are still contained in a corridor - might not stay that way, but given the streets and roads have been abandoned today it's looking good for a suppression again.
Butch Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) First of all, there has not been a mad panic. There are no travel bans to countries with malaria because people know to take antimalarials and they can't reinfect others on their return home. Just because other people have worse health is no reason for people in rich countries to not preserve their health. Your post was beyond stupid. The fact I was making is it's not on the news nonstop about Malaria deaths ! "Your post was beyond stupid "..........thanks for the comment..... Spoken like a " true rich white Western person "...........I didn't realize I couldn't have an opinion ! " First of all, there has not been a mad panic ".................. could have fooled me ! Edited July 12, 2020 by Butch 1
turboplanner Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 I would have thought that it was highly offensive to Mexicans if anyone. No, Dan is in charge, he just chooses to take the advice of the medical officer, unless it's in regard to Bacon Lettuce and Mayo protests. But you knew that. Why would I be surprised.
turboplanner Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Since there are still people around who don't know how our system works, here's a link to the first Directions issued in March by Victoria's Chief Health Officer. You can see there's no democracy in them; once the State of Emergency was declared, he was calling the shots. There have been many directives since as the situation has changed and the hard lock down at the towers and the latest Melbourne localised lock down and decision to keep 700,000 students and parents out of active intermixing were his, and based on control of the virus. Similarly, on a commonwealth basis while their declaration is in force it's the Chief Medical Officer deciding what goes on, so you won't be hearing from CASA on what you can and can't do (as was confrmed on this site back in March). https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/state-of-emergency-declared-in-victoria-over-covid-19/#:~:text=A%20State%20of%20Emergency%20has,agreed%20by%20National%20Cabinet%20yesterday. State and Commonwealth Governments retain democratic control by limiting the State of Emergency legislation to a fixed period. 1
M61A1 Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Your link says Dan announced a state of emergency....that means it’s his call. Yes the CHO makes the directives, but it also appears that Dan can override them for certain groups.
farri Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Knowing SSCBD as I do, ( smile! you cunning old bugger) I think I can understand his motivation for starting this thread! I`ve got a laugh from some of the posts here, so I`ll continue reading them.... .............Franco. 3
turboplanner Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Your link says Dan announced a state of emergency....that means it’s his call. Yes the CHO makes the directives, but it also appears that Dan can override them for certain groups. Sorry, I posted that for people who can read more than one line and get to the directives.
facthunter Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Just for geographical accuracy Mexico is a HOT place as it's nearer to the equator than the USA. and to the south. In the other half of the world which can be the bottom if you look at it the wrong way, the HOTTER parts are in the North. This is because the earth is not FLAT but round and called a SPHERE (like a cricket ball )and the sun is above the middle bit called the equator causing it to be hotter and guess what bit's closer to the equator where WE are.? Queensland if you are considering Australia and we are of course. You may not understand this at first reading but do not give up . You will get it if you put in the effort .Nev 1 2
PaulMilo2 Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 It couldn’t be clearer, so let’s cut the BS flying is not allowed. Some clever people thought they’d push the meals boundary and were fined $25,000. We’re in the position we are because people pushed the boundaries. Actually TurboPlanner, you are 100% incorrect and there is absolutely nothing to suggest we have the current outbreak has been caused by people 'pushing boundaries' - let's be clear, that is your own speculation. The only absolute is that the overseas quarantine was a debacle in VIC and that has definitely led to infections and has been traced. More speculation. There was also a very large BLM rally with 40k ppl in attendance that were largely not social distancing, which coincidentally occurred approximately two weeks before the outbreak. But that also had nothing to do with the outbreak if you believe the Govt and left wing media, because it was caused by families that reside in areas in the inner metro ring apparently ..... and we all know that none of the BLM attendees live in that area (!!!! yeah right), nor do they have families (!!!! yeah right x 2). If I was a betting man, I know where I would would be putting my money and its not on ppl social distancing whilst undertaking recreational activity. As above, recreational activities are permitted, but just as in the example of driving, you cannot get out of your aircraft...which is sound advice if the prop is spinning. :-) So, if you have your own plane in your own hangar and you are not socialising, or landing outside the 'containment zone', then the risk of you flying is less than undertaking one if the 3 other key reasons for being allowed to leave home detention. 2
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