So have any of you Mexicans (Victorians)– smile people - made it across the border by air.

[onetrack]

These people screeching about the "destruction of the economy" and "unemployment levels like the Great Depression" fail to understand that the largest % of businesses in Australia are doing quite nicely, thank you - despite the COVID-19 restrictions - and many are in boom conditions as regards sales and work levels.

We cannot get workers from amongst the unemployed to go to the rural areas where the work is, because; A: many "unemployed" are "unemployable" - and B: many of the younger generation have had it too good for too long, and place greater priority on having mobile phone contact 24/7/365, socialising with friends, and "hanging out" at the mall - rather than buckling down, practising some self-discipline, and going to rural and remote areas to find some work.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-01/wa-regional-pubs-desperate-for-workers/12512096

[Flightrite]

I do feel for those in the hospitality industry, it is a huge employer of staff! Will be interesting to see what other industries will be forced to close? Me shakes me head at this whole debarcle!?

[facthunter]

Well you can't just wish it away. It's transmitted by PEOPLE to other People and IF you overwhelm the hospital system it can't do what it has to do for normal people either let alone protect it's own staff.. You don't just recover either, you may have permanent damage to organs. It is VERY easily transmitted and requires a seriously changed attitude to how we behave under these circumstances to control the rate of infection.. Which overseas countries are doing it much better and there's PLENTY doing it much worse. Nev

[Ironpot]

If I may comment on Turbo's statement, "get the mines moving again (in W.A.)" - I can assure you that W.A. is currently in a near-normal state of economic activity and business operations (and certainly mining), thanks to McGowan's hard stance on closing the W.A. border and treating every entry into W.A. as a suspect virus carrier.

 

Clive Palmer is rapidly being exposed for the narcissistic bully he is, and I note the Federal Govt, which supported Palmers effort to get W.A. to open its border, has withdrawn its support for Palmers case, after initially supporting it.

 

It's pretty obvious the Federal Govt raced in to support Palmers lawsuit as political payback for his massive help in getting elected - but now that Victoria's disastrous state has exposed the strength of W.A.'s lockdown moves, they have decided that their support for Palmers case is looking somewhat shaky.

 

I can tell you, right now, I'm glad I live in the lockdown State of W.A. - and I might add that 96% of West Australians have indicated support for McGowan, and his approach to the entry and control of COVID-19 in W.A.

 

For the life of me I am unable to understand why the Feds supported CP in the first place - what is the rationale behind supporting someone that could destroy our main source of export earnings when all else are struggling???

 

If CP wins, which he still may, there is a heightened risk that the whole state, including the industry that is Australia's increasingly lucrative source of revenue will be further exposed to Covid.

 

Footshooting or what?

[poteroo]

As you'll hear/see on tonights' news, CP never submitted an application to enter WA. His pilot did, nominating CP as his wife!, but he too stuffed up a simple form. Had he just behaved like the great unwashed, (us), he'd have almost certainly been allowed in - subject to 14 days in house quarantine, which is what he is bucking about. Good enough for Twiggy Forrest and Kerry Stokes to do the paperwork and be allowed in/out, albeit with a bit of government brown-nosing by allowing them to 'self-isolate' at home.

 

In any case, if CP decided to push his way into WA, who's to know whether he'll be able to buy fuel, much less have it delivered into jet ?

 

happy days,

[Jim McDowall]

For the life of me I am unable to understand why the Feds supported CP in the first place

If the Commonwealth wont defend he Constitution who will? It seems only Clive Palmer is in a position to. The law sometimes throws up some un-intended consequences. If the States and Commonwealth agree to turn a blind eye to the most fundamental of our laws, it begs the question why do we have laws? Irrespective of today's circumstances, as model citizens, Governments must obey the law. Unless, of course, the High Court expresses another view.

[Thruster88]

Our son 23 who is a student in Fukuoka, Japan has just tested positive, his live in girlfriend tested negative. Not to worried as he is young and healthy. He just had a slight fever and decided to get tested.

[turboplanner]

Well you can't just wish it away. It's transmitted by PEOPLE to other People and IF you overwhelm the hospital system it can't do what it has to do for normal people either let alone protect it's own staff.. You don't just recover either, you may have permanent damage to organs. It is VERY easily transmitted and requires a seriously changed attitude to how we behave under these circumstances to control the rate of infection.. Which overseas countries are doing it much better and there's PLENTY doing it much worse. Nev

Victorian CHP, Professor Sutton explained today that Victoria had flattened the curve with Strage 3 restrictions, but that it had flattened up at the 500 cases a day level, and was running at around R level 1 (R level is the rate each person infects others, so 1 = infects 1 and 1 gets better) and we were producing a daily intake at the hospitals which would fill them and a daily death toll which was unacceptable, and this could go on until Christmas without changing so better to hit it hard, and taking into account the time delay, we should see if the decision was successful with numbers coming down, in a fortnight.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Our son 23 who is a student in Fukuoka, Japan has just tested positive, his live in girlfriend tested negative. Not to worried as he is young and healthy. He just had a slight fever and decided to get tested.

I am sure there is nothing to worry about, but wishing him a speedy recovery...

[kgwilson]

With Victoria now in Stage 4 and the worsening economic prognosis I wonder if Morrison still thinks the original decision for a suppression strategy was the right one? Only a couple of weeks ago he was crowing that our economic recovery was better than most countries including our closest neighbour. NT, WA, SA, QLD, ACT & TAS had effectively eliminated Covid but the Corona Genie is back out of the bottle. Elimination may have taken a bit longer with a harder NZ style lockdown but the long term effect would have seen us now like NZ with no restrictions at all other than tight border control.

[Flightrite]

Victoria is not in stage 4, (thank Christ!) only Melb.

[KRviator]

Read the latest from down south? Now you need a signed permit to be able to go to work. Holy snappin' duckshit what a world we live in where you need to prove your innocence to the state and effectively get permission from the authorities just to go to work in Australia. Anyone would think we were back in Nazi-occupied Germany or North Korea!

 

Begs the question "What more draconian rules and regulations will be brought in if this lockdown doesn't work?"

[Flightrite]

Read the latest from down south? Now you need a signed permit to be able to go to work. Holy snappin' duckshit what a world we live in where you need to prove your innocence to the state and effectively get permission from the authorities just to go to work in Australia. Anyone would think we were back in Nazi-occupied Germany or North Korea!

 

Begs the question "What more draconian rules and regulations will be brought in if this lockdown doesn't work?"

 

It's just unfathomable that it's come to this! Wait till the middle of the 6 weeks, bet there's a rebellion on the streets!

[octave]

New Zealand went hard and early and now enjoys life pretty much as normal. Sometimes you just have to dry your tears and do what is requireds to address the problem.

[SSCBD]

Why are you crying in your soup. We live under the dictatorship of CASA where the Minster of Aviation is only a figure head.

[KRviator]

New Zealand went hard and early and now enjoys life pretty much as normal. Sometimes you just have to dry your tears and do what is requireds to address the problem.

I applaud your optimism.

 

You're right though, our Kiwi Kuzzie Bros did go all or nothing, and they did it as a nation. Not as individual states, provinces or postcodes. Victoria's lockdown, might, and I stress might solve their issue, but it won't solve the issue of other states forbidding Victorians, travelling interstate, or mandating quarantine if you do happen to get in to the state.

[kgwilson]

Across the ditch they pretty much accepted the pain as a nation. It initially pissed a lot of people off, many saying "Look at Australia, they are still able to do xyz and have as results as good as us". Few will now admit they ever thought that way. Those who broke the rules were publicly shamed and chastised. Government Ministers & officials who stuffed up were hung out to dry. The Health Minister was demoted & eventually had to resign. Having a charasmatic PM who is decisive, empathetic and a true leader and coach was an advantage as well as not having multiple state & territory governments pulling in different directions.

[Jim McDowall]

I applaud your optimism.

 

You're right though, our Kiwi Kuzzie Bros did go all or nothing, and they did it as a nation. Not as individual states, provinces or postcodes. Victoria's lockdown, might, and I stress might solve their issue, but it won't solve the issue of other states forbidding Victorians, travelling interstate, or mandating quarantine if you do happen to get in to the state.

The constant trickle of returning "Australians" who are fleeing nations with poor health systems and putting them up in metropolitan hotels was/is a disastrous approach. Why on earth didn't the Government persist with initial approach of using remote detention centres? Did NZ let everybody who thought they were a NZ citizen return?

It is worth noting that Danistan has had the hardest approach to this event since it began. As an "expert" (epidemiologist) said yesterday maybe it is time to start treating people like adults instead of lecturing them like a demented schoolmaster.

[turboplanner]

The constant trickle of returning "Australians" who are fleeing nations with poor health systems and putting them up in metropolitan hotels was/is a disastrous approach. Why on earth didn't the Government persist with initial approach of using remote detention centres? Did NZ let everybody who thought they were a NZ citizen return?

It is worth noting that Danistan has had the hardest approach to this event since it began. As an "expert" (epidemiologist) said yesterday maybe it is time to start treating people like adults instead of lecturing them like a demented schoolmaster.

Victoria has been in a State of Emergency for some months and a State of Disaster since the weekend, so there's no point in people referring to the "Government" or "Premier" to vent their spleens. Best find the appropriate Commander for your concerns, and right now they don't seem to be free for chats.

[Jim McDowall]

Victoria has been in a State of Emergency for some months and a State of Disaster since the weekend, so there's no point in people referring to the "Government" or "Premier" to vent their spleens. Best find the appropriate Commander for your concerns, and right now they don't seem to be free for chats.

And your point is?

[octave]

It is worth noting that Danistan has had the hardest approach to this event since it began

 

Well not really, there has been a gradual tightening in response as numbers have climbed. We are discussing the tightening of restrictions aren't we?

 

As an "expert" (epidemiologist) said yesterday maybe it is time to start treating people like adults instead of lecturing them like a demented schoolmaster.

 

The fact that 40% of people who are supposed to be isolating are found not to be at home shows that people are having difficulties complying or just don't give a toss. I cant see any evidence that those 40% would be any better at isolating if there were not legal implications. If people are breaking isolation because they are bent out of shape by the laws than they obviously don't understand the reasons for staying home.

 

Laws are made for the few who are unable to think for themselves. The fact is that the majority of people understand that driving whilst drunk is extremely hazardous to the driver and to other road users. Because of the small percentage who don't accept this, we all can be inconvenienced by random breath testing. Most people understand and accept this.

 

The constant trickle of returning "Australians" who are fleeing nations with poor health systems and putting them up in metropolitan hotels was/is a disastrous approach.

 

So should this have been tackled with rules or should we have treated these people like adults and let them make their own decisions?

 

Although every country has it's differing circumstances I just put it to you that NZ did go early and hard with harsh restrictions and is now in an enviable position.

 

Previous generations have made much bigger sacrifices for the public good with much less whinging about it. Those who think it is all unnecessary will just have to accept that until the numbers reduce we are stuck with this, the way out is to address the problem.

[spacesailor]

Can you escapees afford a $4,000 fine ?.

spacesailor

[Flightrite]

I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers reduce, then what? Will our wonderful caring destructive leader have a magic pill up his sleeve? This ought to be good!

[turboplanner]

Can you escapees afford a $4,000 fine ?.

spacesailor

Things are currently being adjusted to Police can put more through the Court system so within a few hours/days it will be up to $20,000.00 for individuals and I think $100,000 for companies.

[turboplanner]

And your point is?

 

My point is you were referring to the "Government" which is currently in a secondary role, planning and taking actions and (Federal) providing finance to match the day to day decisions of the CHOs CMO and Commanders.

The situation will be very fluid over the next few months.