Rotax 912 pricing

[Kyle Communications]

No I dont use customs brokers they charge way too much..well if I dont have to....I used my work ones for the container I bought in with the 3 RANS kits..no duty on them at all thank god..that was 1/4 million bucks so 5% is substantial..and usually none on aircraft ...but this last time on the latest Big Bore kit they nailed me

[facthunter]

did you pay GST or a tariff? nev

[Blueadventures]

There is no "open market" for new Rotax engines. They are one brand and one manufacturer.

New engines are only sold by Rotax dealers.....

I imagine aircraft manufacturers obtain them at a better price but are probably contractually restrained from selling just engines.

Other companies like Honda also keep a close hold on their products and subsidiary international branches.

Alot to do with brand and market protection, not only profit.

Outboard motors now are almost always Required to be both sold and fitted by the dealer network.

[Kyle Communications]

Yes I paid GST on the invoice amount in aussie dollars at the rate the day it entered australia plus the freight PLUS the 5% duty then they calculate the GST on top of all of that

[Kyle Communications]

I just found where the engine as a complete unit is exempt of duty but any parts that come in are not exempt of duty...mine were pistons and cylinders so got stung with duty

Tarrif 8407.10.00 is the bit where the whole engine is exempt they stung me on 8409.10.00

 

[pylon500]

If you're feeling brave, maybe you want to have a go at this lot...

https://airkmotors.com/?lang=en#moteurs

[facthunter]

Private Jets are probably excluded. People who own those are those who will have a go. Anyhow it would all be tax deductible for them. Nev

[marshallarts]

PLUS the 5% duty then they calculate the GST on top of all of that

 

Ah, taxes on taxes, you gotta love it! I thought it was a principle of our tax system that this doesn't happen. Just like all those taxes that GST was supposed to replace - funny thing, but some are still here (e.g. stamp duty), 20 years on.

[onetrack]

FlyBoy1960's duty advice is wrong, there definitely is a 5% DUTY (besides GST) on aircraft parts, as Kyle Comms has pointed out, and found the relevant legislation.

 

Import Duties WERE supposed to be dropped when the GST came in, then the Govt decided some duties had to stay.

 

I've done my share of importing, and been reamed mercilessly for charges, fees, duties, and GST, just like every other person who imports. It's like a big luscious pie, and everyone has to have their finger in it.

[dlegg]

I sent an MGL Efis back to South Africa for repairs, cost me $1000AU to get it repaired and upgraded, when it was mailed back to me had to pay a duty and GST on the total of repair cost and freight, what a rip off....

[facthunter]

The VAT at the source is usually not applied for exports so it's not all bad. Nev

[skippydiesel]

Well be prepared to stand corrected...I just got stung 5% duty of aircraft engine parts

so the rotax engine would have 5% duty added to that list THEN add the GST

 

Hi Kyle - Seems we are both correct. Aircraft engine parts attract 5% Whole/complete aircraft engines are exempt/free. Only ever had experience importing whole aircraft with engine - no duty (plenty of other charges though) What a screwed up system.

[Kyle Communications]

This is close but not correct.

 

GST and/or customs are levied on the day that the shipment is exported from the first foreign location so if for example your shipment left England on 1 January then the exchange rate used in the calculation for any duty (which doesn't apply to aircraft) and GST is applicable on the exchange rate calculation on the 1st January not on the day it arrives into Australia.

 

It is been like this for as long as I have been involved with importing before I retired last year.

 

 

I can show you invoices from Border Force that show the exchange rate is done the day it arrives in Australia..and NOT done on the purchase date. Certainly anything that is shipped..airfreight is different as the currency doesnt swing usually too much in that time frame. The RANS container took 48 days to get here...I can assure you when your paying 25k in GST its calculated on the day it arrives in Australia when the exchange rate shfits 5 cents NOT in your favour it makes a big difference

[Jack in Arizona]

To the OP, and as mentioned above, the Chinese 'Rotax' clone is on the way...

https://airkmotors.com/?lang=en#moteurs

 

Yes, these are "Chinese" engines...but don't overlook the poor reputation (at least in the USA and Europe; IDK about Oz) which Rotax has earned for poor warranty support. Here's one recent example:

"I have to agree on the Rotax Warranty. I spent $2,100 using a Rotax heavy maintenance approved technician to repair a brand new engine. We submitted a warranty invoice, and 6 months later, I received $310 – When I called the Rotax customer support, they were rude. Very disappointed in Rotax – not sure I would risk a Chinese knock-off, but the pricing is tempting."

 

Those comments were posted by one of the Pipistrel dealers who is located in Florida, an individual who should have as much influence with Rotax as any 'mere' customer. Perhaps it's way too early to consider these Air K engines...but OTOH they are copying a 30 year old design that, for most of the engine, is well past its patent protection.

 

Jack

Prescott AZ USA

[RFguy]

I have done the same calcs , I think Bert 's prices are good and reasonable.

I believe there is an obligation to support the locals if the pricing is close . And besides, if the rotax sh1ts itself, Bert is just going to tell you rightly to go and have s3x with yourself if you got a grey import... ! :-)

 

On some stuff there still is 5% minimum duty . In some cases you can argue for the duty concession (0%) but customs do not make this process easy.

 

Who are aeromomentum? I see their big glossy in the back of sport pilot

[aripilot]

Look for ~500 hrs used Rotax 912 engine checked by professional. Prices are reasonable. Should be around 1/3 about a new one.

Just my two eurocents... ?

[Powerin]

Getting back to SDs original point, that the Rotax prices are the same everywhere and therefore must be rigged...I think it's good old economics 101...Supply and Demand. Rotax engines are a specialist low volume item, so no supplier around the world ever buys an amount that would attract a discount. Rotaxes aren't that big in the USA either so there is not the competition to drive prices lower there either. So I'm guessing the Rotax price around the world is pretty much set by the factory price (no volume discounts) plus exchange, freight and a profit/warranty margin.

 

I wonder how Jabiru engine prices compare around the world? There are plenty of Aussie products that are sold cheaper in the USA than they are here on our shelves. We are a low volume market and are used to paying higher prices so we get charged more, even for our own products.

[IBob]

So. These Air K motors are an unlicensed Chinese knockoff of the Rotax? Is that correct?

[Kyle Communications]

Yes Bob apparently literally a direct copy enough to be able to use the parts for a genuine Rotax

I was speaking to the guy who is doing the selling of them from the factory in China. The manufacturer is Zongshen

[Kyle Communications]

https://www.facebook.com/ZongshenAeroEngine/?__tn__=HHH-R

[Raytol]

I got stung 6 cents/ dollar for a recent exchange from AUD to USD! Don't believe the exchange rates quoted by your bank as they can add fees and charges

on top of that as well. I think Zongshen make the Chonda motors in all the cheapy outdoor equipment. Large manufacturer and getting good.

[IBob]

Raytol, last I checked the Australian banks were massively screwing their customers on exchange rates: eg there is something like a 9% difference between their buy price vs their sell price for US$. And transaction fees are then added on top of that.

I never use banks for international transfers: there are a number of other, much better, options.

I routinely use TransferWise, and have found them very good.

[Powerin]

Jabiru 3300 engine-

Our price from Jab Australia= A$20,900 (~US$14,600 @ 0.70 exchange)

US price from Jab USA = US$18,900

 

Not sure if that supports my point or not. That's the Oz retail price so Jab USA would surely get it cheaper than that..but maybe not. ?

[IBob]

Yes Bob apparently literally a direct copy enough to be able to use the parts for a genuine Rotax

I was speaking to the guy who is doing the selling of them from the factory in China. The manufacturer is Zongshen

Considering they are a knockoff, and from a country not renowned for either it's copying ability or it's quality control...they're not that much less costly than the Rotax, are they?

[Kyle Communications]

I do a lot of overseas transactions. I use a Forex company for anything above a few hundred dollars. Its the only way to do it otherwise you get screwed over on the exchange rate. The rate at the time of transfer to Euro was 0.6088 to the aussie dollar and I got it for 0.6038 thats far far better than you get anywhere. So to put it in context AU$100 at the published daily rate would be 60.88 euro I got that for 60.38 euro the same AU$100.00 . The only other charges are the $15.00 transfer fee. If you did it by Paypal or a banks be prepared to lose a lot more on your transfer most likely around 55 to 57 Euro