Cessna runway excursion

[Thruster88]

No injuries fortunately. Panic is obviously very debilitating.

[NT5224]

Wow, that was pretty scary at the end -crashing into a structure... Thanks for adding nobody was hurt....I would have worried about the poor fella!

 

Alan

[old man emu]

That person has no idea about operating a vehicle. It is so easy to get a vehicle moving, but a hard lesson to learn is how to stop.

 

He adds power initially, but forgets to take it off. In panic he tries to steer in the same way that he would steer a car, forgetting about using the rudder pedals to steer. The best thing that he does is to try to get some weight off the nose wheel by using up elevator.

 

You've got to feel sorry for the poor bugger.

[facthunter]

Maybe he spends a lot of time on a tractor. The throttle works the opposite way. Other wise I have NO idea... Nev

[Jase T]

Heres the aftermath.

[ClintonB]

First time in 182 i was guilty of trying to taxi with the steering wheel. DOH! moment Homer.?

[johnm]

my guess ? - pilot seems nervous from a higher speed landing ............... then things ............... really start to happen

 

hope pilot is OK after impact

[RFguy]

after I land and turn back in the taxiway (with nose wheel ) , I usually try and steer at least for 1 second with ailerons.....honestly.

and I love differential brakes for tight turns ! super.

[APenNameAndThatA]

They way he rammed the throttle forward, when stuff had already gone wrong suggested to me that he was trying to cut the power. Also, he was pulling back on the yoke, which *might* have meant that he had previously ridden a horse. I don't think he did it to take weight off the front wheel! When I started to fly, the instructor pointed out to me that the throttle worked the opposite way to a tractor. It was important that they told me that because I was able to make a note about what muscle memory might have me do. Panic is debilitating. I once froze in a 4WD driving down hill, and pilots have frozen at the controls...

[RFguy]

so this guy is possibly a primary producer ? IE horse and tractor ?

either way, a bad outcome.

 

Where are the brakes on that machine ?

[facthunter]

Not much use especially on grass if the power's full on when you are already moving (some wing lift). Nev

[turboplanner]

so this guy is possibly a primary producer ? IE horse and tractor ?

either way, a bad outcome.

 

Where are the brakes on that machine ?

You're looking at Human Factors there, with essential responses not yet imprinted into his subconscious.

[M61A1]

Perhaps he deliberately applied power with the (mistaken) idea that it might help him get it back into the air before he hit anything.....

[facthunter]

Yes. There are always reasons why people do these things although they may seem just Bl##dy stupid to others I probably drove some of my flying compatriots and students the irrits when I'd say "THINK AEROPLANE" but it is what it's about. Situational Awareness. Yes.. Revert to known response pattern form a past experience under a stress situation? Yes. Nev

[old man emu]

the instructor pointed out to me that the throttle worked the opposite way to a tractor

 

But it works in the same direction as a car's accelerator pedal.

[facthunter]

Some have a hand one and the knob is right of the pivot point and opens when knob is pulled back towards you. Nev

[Thruster88]

Tractors newer than about 1980 have the throttle working in the correct sense, push for power. They even have power shift gear levers working in the correct sense, pull back slower gear unlike cars.

[turboplanner]

I'm afraid the pen might be talking about something different, like the tractor being set in a certain gear setting for a certain throttle opening for a certain application.

For example, set the throttle for descent and use the elevators for speed.

In that case the direction of the lever doesn't matter.

[facthunter]

The earlier ones are anti intuative (hand throttle) but still plenty of them around Speed (rpm) governed so not moved as much as a normal throttle .Nev

[tuffnut]

That bloke reminds me of a famous comment... I wouldn't trust them to build a canoe. Some people need to stick to wheel barrows...Too much political correctness in the aviation game.

TN.

[RFguy]

I talked to my instructor last week about this. This tractor throttle issue is not uncommon in teaching circles.

 

I like differential brakes. How about differential throttles for a twin? IE pull back on the pedal hoops with your toes.

[facthunter]

You might have to explain more on your second sentence. Plse. Our man in the Cessna may have "frozen" on the controls. Nev

[Mike Gearon]

Maybe he spends a lot of time on a tractor. The throttle works the opposite way. Other wise I have NO idea... Nev

That’s a bit funny.

I talked to my instructor last week about this. This tractor throttle issue is not uncommon in teaching circles.

 

I like differential brakes. How about differential throttles for a twin? IE pull back on the pedal hoops with your toes.

I expect the thinking behind this is you’re braking or accelerating and can’t do both. I.e. pull back to accelerate. They each hold the acceleration set unlike a car accelerator. They are cancelled by braking. They aren’t touched by rudder control.

 

I think it’s easier to have the visual of hand throttles. Can feel or glance at them.

 

Back to frozen guy. Yeah, almost feel sorry for him. I do. Think one of those dogs that can ride a skateboard could have taken over as copilot and done a bit better through.

[RFguy]

I was being flippant/silly-with options for controlling the throttle with your feet, freeing up your hands. ignore me.

 

Yeah I think you covered this before," essential actions not yet imprinted in his memory"

 

I wonder how many hours he was before solo ?

I was 18.5 hours of dual , I knew the aircraft pretty well by the time I soloed (last week) . went like clockwork, I think my heartrate was same as resting.

[Mike Gearon]

I was being flippant/silly-with options for controlling the throttle with your feet, freeing up your hands. ignore me.

 

Yeah I think you covered this before," essential actions not yet imprinted in his memory"

 

I wonder how many hours he was before solo ?

I was 18.5 hours of dual , I knew the aircraft pretty well by the time I soloed (last week) . went like clockwork, I think my heartrate was same as resting.

I’ll go with anything and try to make it work. :)