planedriver Posted March 28, 2021 Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, facthunter said: I've forgotten how long ago I stopped smoking.. That ones a no brainer. GOOD wine is so cheap it's hard to stop, but getting there. Nev You've inspired me again Nev. I'll start tomorrow
Geoff13 Posted March 28, 2021 Posted March 28, 2021 3 hours ago, facthunter said: I've forgotten how long ago I stopped smoking.. That ones a no brainer. GOOD wine is so cheap it's hard to stop, but getting there. Nev I gave up on my 34th birthday so 28 years and 6 weeks ago. 1
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 There is a lot of nonsense in the wine industry, and the one about quality is proportional to price is the biggest bit of nonsense ever written. Price is determined by how much you can get for it. There is a niche for real expensive stuff, bought by people who are trying to impress others. Here's the truth... wine made from good grapes with no stuff-ups by the winemaker will be good. In Australia, it is hard to buy local wine in bottles which is poor quality. The bottling etc is just too expensive to waste on bad wine, and also the winemaker will have his reputation to think of. Wine is just fermented grape juice after all. If you don't believe me, try doing a tasting where the drinkers only know a number and not the price. 1
Jabiru7252 Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said: There is a lot of nonsense in the wine industry, and the one about quality is proportional to price is the biggest bit of nonsense ever written. Price is determined by how much you can get for it. There is a niche for real expensive stuff, bought by people who are trying to impress others. Here's the truth... wine made from good grapes with no stuff-ups by the winemaker will be good. In Australia, it is hard to buy local wine in bottles which is poor quality. The bottling etc is just too expensive to waste on bad wine, and also the winemaker will have his reputation to think of. Wine is just fermented grape juice after all. If you don't believe me, try doing a tasting where the drinkers only know a number and not the price. Years ago I went out with a hoity-toity girl who dragged me along to a cheese fondue. There I sampled expensive wine and cheese. Some of the booze was $100 a bottle, some of the cheese was $50 a kilo. Anyway, I took my Mount Rufus port and some cheese I got from Bi-Lo (now Coles). My input to the table did not raise any eyebrows or cause folks to comment about how crappy it was. In fact, some of the expensive booze I reckon was taken from the floor of a horse float.
spacesailor Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) I bought a $ 8 bottle of wine, and now it is up to $80 at auction. Should l drink it ?. OR Hide it away for MY wake. spacesailor Edited March 30, 2021 by spacesailor Missed word
gareth lacey Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 I had a bottle of penfolds grange present at 50 opened at 70 it was crap cost was i believe 100 then we by 7 dollar reds and whites they taste good
shafs64 Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 This post started about a bent vixen then went to people in white shirts with generous figures then to wine lets see were it goes next. 1 2
spacesailor Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 Yes l agree, BUT At My wake the taste won,t matter to me ,. LoL NOW At my funeral! . spacesailor
RossK Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, spacesailor said: I bought a $ 8 bottle of wine, and now it is up to $80 at auction. Should l drink it ?. OR Hide it away for MY wake. spacesailor Drink it, we bought a $15 bottle for our 15th anniversary and cellared it until our 30th. Was valued at $120 when we drank it. It was smooth and full of flavour
spacesailor Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) MAYBE tomorrow! . It,s our 59th wedding anniversary. I,ll take the missus out for Chinese. spacesailor Edited March 30, 2021 by spacesailor Spelling 1 1
Old Koreelah Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, spacesailor said: I bought a $ 8 bottle of wine, and now it is up to $80 at auction. Should l drink it ?. OR Hide it away for MY wake. spacesailor Depends on whether I’m invited to your funeral... 1
Old Koreelah Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, spacesailor said: MAYBE tomorrow! . It,s our 59th wedding anniversary. I,ll take the missus out for Chinese. spacesailor 59 years? Spacey your’e a stayer!
Jim McDowall Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 On 28/03/2021 at 5:12 PM, shafs64 said: Australian wine could mean it will be even cheaper. Maybe not. Australian wine stockpile is at a nine year low. Evidences that some of us have been helping the industry through tough times. 1
APenNameAndThatA Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 On 28/03/2021 at 6:02 PM, shafs64 said: OK who is Wolf Warrior. China, I believe 1
nomadpete Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 Happy Anniversary to you and the missus, Spacesailor
RossK Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, nomadpete said: Happy Anniversary to you and the missus, Spacesailor Yes, happy anniversary Spacey, 🤵👰
old man emu Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 It's amazing what a woman sees in a man. Congratulations to you both 3
Jabiru7252 Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Have a look at Proverbs 25:24. Makes me laugh... 1
facthunter Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 It's no laughing matter. He'll get you if you are naughty . Nev
kgwilson Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) On 30/03/2021 at 1:28 PM, Bruce Tuncks said: There is a lot of nonsense in the wine industry, and the one about quality is proportional to price is the biggest bit of nonsense ever written. Price is determined by how much you can get for it. There is a niche for real expensive stuff, bought by people who are trying to impress others. Here's the truth... wine made from good grapes with no stuff-ups by the winemaker will be good. In Australia, it is hard to buy local wine in bottles which is poor quality. The bottling etc is just too expensive to waste on bad wine, and also the winemaker will have his reputation to think of. Wine is just fermented grape juice after all. If you don't believe me, try doing a tasting where the drinkers only know a number and not the price. I dispute that it's hard to buy poor quality bottled wine. At a BBQ someone brought a bottle labelled Gossips. It wasn't quite vinegar but close. I saw it later at the bottlo for $3.00, so $2.00 for the bottle and $1.00 for the contents. Edited March 31, 2021 by kgwilson 1 1
Cosmick Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 14 hours ago, kgwilson said: I dispute that it's hard to buy poor quality bottled wine. At a BBQ someone brought a bottle labelled Gossips. It wasn't quite vinegar but close. I saw it later at the bottlo for $3.00, so $2.00 for the bottle and $1.00 for the contents. I actually like the Gossips, get it from Dan's about $24 for 6 bottles. They have red and white wines in all types i.e. Shiraz (my choice). Best thing no hangover.
RossK Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, kgwilson said: I dispute that it's hard to buy poor quality bottled wine. At a BBQ someone brought a bottle labelled Gossips. It wasn't quite vinegar but close. I saw it later at the bottlo for $3.00, so $2.00 for the bottle and $1.00 for the contents. I also agree that you can buy poor quality wine in Australia. Gossips is just on that border for me, but my wife is quite OK with it. There is no reason any wine maker should make poor wine in Australia, but some do manage it. I do know of a wine maker in the Yarra Valley that had a poor yield one year, and had pre-orders to fulfill. So despite not having enough grapes, they still produced the amount of wine required, and no, Jesus did not work for them, as the wine was very sub par. Sometimes it is the storage of the wine that makes it bad, not the winemaker. My previous employer used to buy wine in pallet lots to give away at Christmas. When I went to collect my allocation at the warehouse, I saw that the pallets had been stored on the top rack in the warehouse - in December 😬. It would have easily been 35-40degC up there. The wine fizzed in your mouth when you drank it and was very "rough". None of my customers got wine that year. Edited March 31, 2021 by RossK
facthunter Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 You make about 770 bottles from a ton of grapes.. At 1500 a ton that's about $2 for the contents of each bottle That was a top price for shiraz about 1997 in my area. Wineries buy in most of their wine grapes from selected growers who they contract in advance and quality assess during the year and it's easy to find out who buys the crap stuff and who buys the good stuff. The taste of the grape is in the wine and you won't make good wine from poor quality or contaminated grapes. Powdery mildew is a taint that is easily picked by experienced consumers even in small%'s. Ethyl Alcohol can be from any type of sugar. Grapes not fully ripened are low in sugar and often high in acid. Some areas are now becoming too hot in Australia for grapes. Bushfires can give a smoky taste. It's illegal to add sugar in Australia but not citric acid or a few other organic acids. The pub and restaurant trade used to buy some fairly "ordinary" outcomes from some wineries in bulk that were not good enough to market under any real label so I guess that is still happening. Generally the stuff going to England is not top price or quality as there existed a strong resistance to paying above a certain price for "anything" no matter how good it was in most of Europe, whereas it looks as thought the stuff the Chinese locked out was top stuff. What they lose out on we get some of. More fool them but they are using it politically.' A decent wine will describe it as the varietal it is and name the recognised designated area it is grown in. . Wine tasting is done BLIND. It's not identifiable at the time. Blends are OK if done properly. The higher % is First stated.. Ie Cabinet Merlot. If it's called Classic Dry Red or something it may be just pressings and sultana Nev 2
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