RAAus and our new Tech and Ops manuals - how to drive a horse and cart through them

[jackc]

2 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

There's not a lot of point in making attempts to discuss the transport industry when people aren't fully aware of how to make an aircraft airworthy, so briefly a caravan is not usually complete when it comes off the line at the First Manufacturer's facility.

There is another Industry Term for a vehicle in this state: "Kerb Mass". This is the mass of a vehicle as it comes off the line.

 

For example all truck cab/chassis coming off the line are yet to have their bodies fitted so the First Manufacturer doesn't have a Tare Mass.

 

What Clint has described

So First Manufacturers, including Car Manufacturers supply Kerb Mass.

 

The second Manufacturer(s) adds/add additional components, and that result is the Tare Mass.

 

The First Manufacturer plates the vehicle and has overall responsibility for ensuring it's plated as VSB1 requires, and at the point of Registration the Tare Mass should be on the plate.

 

What ClintonB has described is a First Manufacturer helpfully providing a Kerb Mass with the Van so Second Manufacturers/the owner can decide how much more mass can be added before the van will be overweight fully loaded.

 

It might be helpfull to add, that when the Van manufacturer takes the van to a Licensed Weighbridge, the tickets are all usually printed out as "Tare" Mass.  A pedant might ask the Weighbridge operator to overwrite the ticket to Kerb Mass, and then everyone would be happy.

 

And just to add a further micro-explanation, every truck in Australia has a Compliance Plate fitted confirming the truck complies with ll Design Rules, even though it is DELIVERED to the Second Manufacturing Industry without a body or accessories, and by the time it is processed and ready for registration, is expected to meet the requirements of the PLate at Registration.

 

Look, I used to be a contractor for Qld Tpt, I had a contract to build the Central Regions Patrol Cars for 2 years, I qualified as a Specialist Vehicle Operator in 6 years military. I have an MCR licence and over the years have probably done more miles in reverse than you have done forwards 🙂

Further more, the discussion was caravans.....so far off the original topic I know.

I know how the truck registration system used to work.....I worked for Mercedes trucks 40 years ago.  Aircraft?  Don’t up me there, an L2 LAME signed of on my aircraft and it’s a flying death trap.....took me 10 minutes to work that out, now I am fixing it, yes ME.  If you want to check my work, come and have a look.

I told RAA about it all and told them I am fixing it......too bad it’s the only way I will feel safe flying it.  Do you want me to send you the pics of the L2s work?

I am done here.......and I don’t care IF I get banned off the forum either.

Turbs you always want the last word and this is mine......

[Markdun]

I agree Jack.  

On motor vehicle standards the relevant regulations or statute or code requires the owners or operators of the vehicles to meet the appropriate standards.  I would think a purchaser of a caravan that was sold as meeting the appropriate standard but which in fact did not, would have a good basis in contract law to sue for damages etc.

 I think you will find that the Registrars of Motor Vehicles in each State also has the discretionary power to require the owner/operator to get a certificate or report from a professional engineer that their vehicle meets that standard.  Here in the ACT that discretion is used to require registered operators of lpg powered vehicles to get a certificate of compliance for the lpg system every year.  
Of-course, if a vehicle doesn’t meet the standard and the non-compliance results in damage to others, the owner/operator (as opposed to the driver) could be liable legally.  This stems from tort law, which would ask, did the defendant owe a duty of care to the plaintiff, if yes, what was the standard of care that was owed to the plaintiff, was that standard breached, and then what were the damages caused by that breach. But this does NOT apply to Ra-Aus aircraft because, firstly, as an inherently dangerous activity, there is no duty of care owed to participants (due to tort law reform). Secondly, if there was a duty owed (but there is not to other participants....so think about that....a duty would be owed to GA and RPT pilots and passengers, and people on the ground), tge ‘appropriate standard would not be CASA standards (eg.CoA) because they expressly do NOT meet the standard and are exempt (if operated under Ra-Australia)...the standard would be Ra-Aus standards.  Which of-course, brings us back full circle to that circular argument that if an aircraft/pilot do not meet the Ra-Australia ‘standard’, they are not exempt from CASA rules.  Putting aside tge question about jurisdiction of Ra-Aus to discipline members for non-compliance, a proper court has an obligation to make laws work even when they are stupid.  I could give you an example I had when I uncovered that thousands of Crown leases in Canberra were issued contrary to law which expressly forbid the Minister issuing these leases....the deals involved land redevelopment, and failure of both Liberal and Labor governments to charge hundred of millions of dollars for redevelopment rights on public land.  Others might call it corrupt, but I can’t comment.  The unlawful acts were by Ministers or their delegates, not recipients. The owner of a local airport, among many others, was one of the beneficiaries of this publicly funded largesse. In a strict legal sense,because the leases were issued by the Ministers contrary to the law, they were invalid ‘ab initio’, as opposed to being capable of being invalidated by court hearing.  Therefore, all the current leases, bought by unsuspecting families were also invalid.  My legal team said there was no question about this, but they said every court in the land would find whatever way the could to prevent our success because of turmoil it would create.

[Blueadventures]

6 hours ago, jackc said:

Look, I used to be a contractor for Qld Tpt, I had a contract to build the Central Regions Patrol Cars for 2 years, I qualified as a Specialist Vehicle Operator in 6 years military. I have an MCR licence and over the years have probably done more miles in reverse than you have done forwards 🙂

Further more, the discussion was caravans.....so far off the original topic I know.

I know how the truck registration system used to work.....I worked for Mercedes trucks 40 years ago.  Aircraft?  Don’t up me there, an L2 LAME signed of on my aircraft and it’s a flying death trap.....took me 10 minutes to work that out, now I am fixing it, yes ME.  If you want to check my work, come and have a look.

I told RAA about it all and told them I am fixing it......too bad it’s the only way I will feel safe flying it.  Do you want me to send you the pics of the L2s work?

I am done here.......and I don’t care IF I get banned off the forum either.

Turbs you always want the last word and this is mine......

Hi Jack  Sorry to here there a faults with your aircraft; as you posted the work was being done by the factory people of Aeropup at Gympie surley there is a small claims case for the poor work and reportable maintenance matters that need addressing by RAA and perhaps CASA would be interested.  Hope you soon enjoy some nice flying.  Regards Mike

[jackc]

2 hours ago, Blueadventures said:

Hi Jack  Sorry to here there a faults with your aircraft; as you posted the work was being done by the factory people of Aeropup at Gympie surley there is a small claims case for the poor work and reportable maintenance matters that need addressing by RAA and perhaps CASA would be interested.  Hope you soon enjoy some nice flying.  Regards Mike

Mike,   The L2 was a subcontractor and yes the 5 year rubber replacement could have been better, a secondhand undercarriage leg was fitted that did not match the other side, furthermore it had a very bent axle.

To Aeropup’s credit, they made me 2 new matching undercarriage legs and drilled them so I could fit my upgraded disc brake kit to,  I installed everything and now need to do the piping and master cyl hookup.

Yes I have ordered firewall penetration hardware and fire sleeving along with all new AN hardware.   The tail wheel was old and perished half flat, so I replaced the complete wheel and reset the leaf springs that had sagged.

The rubber replacement used red high pressure fuel hose......it’s all going in the bin.

I had some of that stuff on my old ‘77 Landcruiser, it ruptured after 18 months and I nearly had an engine fire.  On goes new hose with fuel injection clamping hardware  with fire sleeving. I don’t ever count cost......I do whatever it takes to make something right.......I am not working on a $300 rusty Corolla.

RAAus?   They don’t worry too much about amateur built aircraft.

The makeup of RAAus as a peak body and being a limited liability company baffles me......I am happy for them to send anyone they like to inspect my work,  I seek advice from knowledgeable aviators and research and study everything I need to for quality work.  

The buck stops with me as the aircraft owner and I have decided NEVER to take a passenger anywhere........my plane, my risk, my arse and no one else.

Might I say RAAus need to make some changes for the better, I can’t help but think that important things are overlooked by them as a peak body, in their effort to become what they think is the be all and end all to Rec Aviation.

I will ultimately end up knocking on the CEOs door for a face to face meeting, IF I get told no,  next stop CASA.

You want to put a case?  Do it in person........it’s worked for me all my life........

 

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

Jack  I remember when you drove to Canberra all those years ago to front the dudes at the ACMA..I think Spectrum management Agency back then.  hahahah to give them a bum kicking...I think whatever it was about it worked

 

[jackc]

1 hour ago, Kyle Communications said:

Jack  I remember when you drove to Canberra all those years ago to front the dudes at the ACMA..I think Spectrum management Agency back then.  hahahah to give them a bum kicking...I think whatever it was about it worked

 

Mark, yes one of many wins and few losses 🙂. Hones your skills of negotiation,

Teaches you to present problems that need solving and then designing a solution that works.  Opens discussions between parties usually ending with a good outcome.   NEVER be afraid........

 

[Markdun]

Haa! I once did a review of the Radcoms Act.  Found that around 90% of GA aircraft were non-compliant in not having an ‘apparatus licence’ for VHF radiocoms; and small boats were far more compliant with only 60% failing to have an apparatus licence for their vhf radios.  It cost the SMA heaps more in not enforcing the rules than revenue from licence fees. My recommendation was to abolish the requirement, including the radio operators’ licence rests for both aircraft and boats....at least for vhf.  

[spacesailor]

"    not having an ‘apparatus licence’ for VHF radiocoms; and small boats were far more compliant with only 60% failing to have an apparatus licence for their vhf radios. "

I'm Not surprised, with the Mad inspector's sitting in their car waiting for the boaties coming home. Just to get abused by a Radio licence inspector, 

I Personally saw an inspector at Berowra waters ramp, Take the Radio out of a boat & put it under the Wheel of his car to crush it.

The law said Have a radio in your boat for safety. then fine you for having one for Emergency use. No information from them at that time for training !. Unless you go HF. as I did.

Then they want Two licences. 

AND

For safety your radio WILL change channels just as you got to 'your area' weather forecast. Channel 16 Priority over rides the weather channel.

Now they gone to the Useless short-Range uhf. 

Incoming vessels have to report 24 hours Before docking. BUT uhf Can't be heard from that distance, so another Fine, from the Revenuers.

Blooodi Bureaucrats.

spacesailor

[walrus]

I still have my old 1968 cardboard commonwealth radio operators licence. VHF plus HF. Came in handy in Croatia when we chartered a yacht.  also have the international competency certificate. 

‘Son has a master 5 ticket. 

 

‘Friend hired a “professional skipper” to drive his new yacht from Sydney to Brisbane. 72 feet , 2500hp - MTU V12s with ZF transmission. I got concerned when this guy didn’t know what the gearbox “get you home” bolts were.  Then by his utter reliance on GPS and chart plotter.  Then when he tried to cross the Yamba bar. Then how he tried to moor the boat.

 

 

Yep, unqualified Sydney water rat. Owner thought it was a joke until I pointed out that his insurance was void with this bloke at the helm.

 

8000 ltrs diesel used. It was a great trip, mostly. Next adventure will be the boys taking it to Hammy. I’m navigating 🙂

[Markdun]

Walrus, I was a bit taken aback when I had to ‘apply’ for an MMSI number for a yacht AIS (a slow maritime ADSB type system) and had to photocopy my 40year old, washed in saltwater a few times, radio operators certificate, to prove my qualification....to the very same Cth department that issued me the certificate!  The CASA system for an ADSB hexadecimal number is much better.
And yes,similar stupid rules say you can’t have expired flares on board, or EPIRBs past the extreme conservative battery life expiry date.  Still, I keep at least 4 on my boat and two in my aircraft.   If the shit hits the fan, I want the lights to really and truly light up at the AMSA emergency incident room in Canberra, rather than having them think, ‘yet another false alarm’ to check out.