"Getting Red Carded'

[skippydiesel]

Sport Pilots most recent issue (No 99) page 51, "Getting Red Carded "by a Mr Ed Jones - This article reads (to me) as a promotional/supportive statement for the ASIC program, as it is applied to sport/recreational pilots flying in/out of minor  ("security controlled") regional airfields.

 

Don't know about you but I am appalled that Sport Pilot would be taking this supportive position, of what can only be seen as a political "knee jerk" gross overreaction to the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA. Its not so much the complete waste of our tax payers dollars, as the ridiculous imposition on us as pilots FOR NO DECERNABLR SECURITY BENEFIT.

 

ASIC, as applied to small regional airfields, is not a program that should be getting any support from the aviation media or sport  pilots in general.

 

Sport Pilot should immediately distance itself from this article and make a statement affirming its opposition to ASIC.

[Thruster88]

Four pages of crap

[kgwilson]

AFAIK Australia is the only country in the world with such a ridiculous security imposition. I haven't read the article yet but will likely write a very derogatory letter to the editor. I have made a point of refusing to ever get one of these stupid cards and have only been asked for it at Ballina & was told I couldn't go to the cafe so I just said OK and ignored the so called security & went in anyway. 

[walrus]

Unfortunately there is nothing I am aware of to stop determined terrorists from taking control of an RPT aircraft at any regional airport, ASIC cards or no ASIC cards.

 

I qualified that as being "aware of" because I sure as hell can't see any effective deterrents. I was taught in the army that an obstacle isn't an obstacle unless its covered by fire. I suggest that the same dictum applies to security precautions. What are you going to do when you find someone on the strip with no ASIC card?

[APenNameAndThatA]

5 minutes ago, walrus said:

an obstacle isn't an obstacle unless its covered by fire.

Words to live life by. Were any of your instructors Buddhists? Are you able to come up with enough quotes to write a book entitled Zen of the Army?

Edited April 22, 2021 by APenNameAndThatA

[Yenn]

I didn't see this as an endorsement of the Asic card, but as an explanatory article.

I would like RAAus and AOPA and all the other aviation bodies to try to get this stupid card done away with. It does nothing for security and what I find really laughable is the fact that if you have an ASIC you have to tell the authorities if you are convicted of a crime. I have tried lobbying my local pollie to get it done away with, but Australia is ruled by bureaucrats so no joy there.

I find most of the current aviation magazines are less than interesting.

The latest Australian Flying has several articles that tell anyone with an interest in aviation, what they already know in a multitude of words. it seems to me that to be a successful. Journalist nowadays you have to be able to convey a little bit of informatiion in a multitude of words. Most articles could be shortened by 50% and still be too wordy.

[facthunter]

There's plenty of misinformation out there. Don't believe a lot of it or you will likely regret it.  IF you fly long enough.. Nev

[Yenn]

While we are discussing the Sport Pilot, have a look at the next article. The physics of a good landing.

There is some good info here in the last paragraph, but as so often happens the use ofa load of technical gobbledegook  takes up a lot of soace and does very little except convince ma that the author may know what he is talking about, but he can't explain it.

He uses the term velocity along with several other letters in the diagrams, but doesn't put it in a coherent way, at least as far as I can see.

Velocity is as far as I know speed and direction, so what I think he means by velocity is speed, but to him velocity sounded much more up market.

How you can square speed and directiion I do not know, at least to come up with a usable number for his equation.

It all boils down to speed control and descent rate. Get the speed right, get the sight picture as you descend correct, that is your aim point should appear not to move up or down ahead of you, then that last paragraph advice to look at the end of the runway.

I thought nosewheel aircraft were supposed to be easy to land. How would the author go in an RV6.

Could anyone re write this article in an improved format, using less words? I think so.

[facthunter]

IF you said not enough "air velocity" can cause a stall it would sound weird. A plane in flight only "KNOWS" air. (till it reaches the edge of the air). Nev

[kasper]

And for the next example of unacceptable editing in the official RAAus magazine ... pg 74 where the UFO is described as “RAAus certified”nope. Sorry. No way acceptable to say  any hone built RAAus aircraft is cerified by RAAus.  
 

I count it as very sloppy and not acceptable in the official journal of RAAus.

Edited April 23, 2021 by kasper

[FlyingVizsla]

I'm still waiting for my Sport Pilot.  Mr FV got his and he's still monopolising it, but from the "language" emanating from behind the glossy pages, I would say its a bit contentious.  I emailed our Club's contact details etc twice and we are still not in there.  Asked about advertising our 30th anniversary celebrations, and that is still hanging in the air.  Pace are essentially a travel magazine publisher.

[Jabiru7252]

On page 71 in the latest sport pilot magazine the specs for the Ekolot Sports states that it has an endurance of 6.5 hours. With 135 litres fuel capacity (I'll assume all usable) at 15L per hour I get 9 hours endurance. Please show me where I'm wrong.

[APenNameAndThatA]

I did not find the article supportive of the card. It provided me with information that I thought was helpful: it’s not an access card, watch where you walk, and people are obliged to dob on you, and you have to renew every two years. I didn’t know any of that.

 

It seemed to imply that you could not or should not apply for one for fun, but if you fly into security-controlled airports for fun, you will need one. 

[APenNameAndThatA]

13 hours ago, Yenn said:

While we are discussing the Sport Pilot, have a look at the next article. The physics of a good landing.

There is some good info here in the last paragraph, but as so often happens the use ofa load of technical gobbledegook  takes up a lot of soace and does very little except convince ma that the author may know what he is talking about, but he can't explain it.

He uses the term velocity along with several other letters in the diagrams, but doesn't put it in a coherent way, at least as far as I can see.

Velocity is as far as I know speed and direction, so what I think he means by velocity is speed, but to him velocity sounded much more up market.

How you can square speed and directiion I do not know, at least to come up with a usable number for his equation.

It all boils down to speed control and descent rate. Get the speed right, get the sight picture as you descend correct, that is your aim point should appear not to move up or down ahead of you, then that last paragraph advice to look at the end of the runway.

I thought nosewheel aircraft were supposed to be easy to land. How would the author go in an RV6.

Could anyone re write this article in an improved format, using less words? I think so.

I have only read the vectors section. I understood it only because I already knew the information from before I started learning to fly. It would have been better if it had stuck to two dimensions and said that any vector had an X and Y component, and had a picture. You would have understood that because you already know that any wind can be divided into a head/tail and cross wind component. 

[skippydiesel]

1 hour ago, APenNameAndThatA said:

I did not find the article supportive of the card. It provided me with information that I thought was helpful: it’s not an access card, watch where you walk, and people are obliged to dob on you, and you have to renew every two years. I didn’t know any of that.

 

It seemed to imply that you could not or should not apply for one for fun, but if you fly into security-controlled airports for fun, you will need one. 

Maaaaaaaaaaaate! - there is nothing positive about the ASIC, not one redeeming feature,  as applied to  small regional airfields - its a DUD.  The positive  "spin" as used in this Red Card article, is just not worth the fee payed to the author for the first sentence.

 

That Sport Pilot - the public face of RAA -should publish this dross, is an insult to the membership. RAA must hear, from us, laud and clear that ASIC is to be vigorously apposed at every opportunity.

[Yenn]

I think RAAus have heard that a lot, but they have not been succesful in getting it rescinded. Our government has no idea of the usefulness or otherwise of the card and the bureaucrats are not going to let them change anything.

I no longer have a card, it was just money wasted and not even doing what it was supposed to do.

It will take a massive amount of educating the voters to make enough noise to interest politicians and where are wee going to find the people to lobby the pollies.

Don't get a card and don't go into their airports to spend your money on fuel or anything else.

[pmccarthy]

It is not optional for GA pilots, must have ASIC or Avid.

[skippydiesel]

9 hours ago, pmccarthy said:

It is not optional for GA pilots, must have ASIC or Avid.

You sure? - If not flying in/out "security controlled" airfield there would not be anyone to take any interest in an ASIC /Avid.

[Thruster88]

19 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

You sure? - If not flying in/out "security controlled" airfield there would not be anyone to take any interest in an ASIC /Avid.

This is how the BS works for license holders

Aviation security requirements for pilots

On this page

• Applying for an ASIC
• Applying for an AVID

The Department of Home Affairs is Australia's security regulator for aviation, maritime and the offshore oil and gas industries and administers the Aviation Transport Security Regulations.

Under those regulations, all current pilots must have an aviation security status check. You will also need an aviation security status check if are applying for a flight crew licence.

To get one of these checks you will need to apply for either an Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC) or an Aviation Identification (AVID).

Applying for an ASIC

An ASIC is required by flight crew flying at a security controlled airports, or for any pilots under the age of 18. It allows you to operate at any airport in Australia.

You can apply for an ASIC through any of the ASIC issuing bodies listed on the Department of Home Affairs website.

CASA no longer issues ASICs.

 

Applying for an AVID

An Aviation Identification (AVID) is more restrictive and cannot be used at security controlled airports. To apply, you must be 18 years or older, have a Part 61 Flight Crew Licence issued by CASA (or be applying for one) and a current aviation medical.

Applications will usually take between 4-6 weeks to process and cost $126.

To apply for an AVID, please use  Aviation identification application form 499 (PDF 421.99 KB).

[onetrack]

"Security controlled airports" is where the system is a farce. I can find, within relatively short distances of major cities and important infrastructure, rural airports that have no security, and no possibility of securing them, because of the sparseness of the local population.

You can't even find a local taxi service at these places, if you land there, you'd better have your ride to town organised in your planning, or you'll be up for a long walk. Yet these airports are utilised by the military as well as civilian flyers, and if I was terrorism inclined, these are the places one could start off on any mission of evil.

It would be far better to concentrate on aircraft disablement for security, because there have been enough aircraft stolen by joyriders to pose a bigger threat to aviation, than ragheads wanting to go on suicide missions with a plane.

And at the end of the day, if someone was evil enough to want to carry out a mission of death and destruction, they would find ways to acquire an ASIC card, and waltz through the system. 

The system is driven by the Americans all-consuming fear, that someone, somewhere, in some sXXXhole of a country, wants to kill Americans in sizeable numbers.

Given that the Americans regular aim is to invade other countries and kill their people in sizeable numbers, to ensure American global corporations continue to get their raw materials uninterrupted and cheaply, this comes as little surprise.

[kgwilson]

If you already have a lifetime licence and don't have an ASIC and don't go to security controlled airports why bother getting one. The government already has all the information they want you to supply anyway. Divers licence and Medicare card and power or rates bill (proof of residence) & now since 2017 you have to front up at one of these security controlled airports to collect your ASIC & you pay $250.00 for the privilege. They now ask if you have a criminal history. They obviously have this information as they run the justice and prison systems.

 

Australia is the most bureaucratic place I have ever lived in and is getting worse. Dutton who was homeland security minister seemed hell bent on turning the country into a police state, now he is in charge of the military.

 

The following note was sent to me by someone in 2014. It is funny but sadly the procedure has got worse.

 

Dear Mr. Minister,

I ' m in the process of renewing my passport, and still cannot believe this.

How is it that K-Mart has my address and telephone number, and knows
that I bought a television set and golf clubs from them back in 1997,
and yet the Federal Government is still asking me where I was born
and on what date?

For Christ sakes, do you guys do this by hand?

My birth date you have in my Medicare information, and it is on all the income tax forms I've filed for the past 40 years. It is also on my driver ' s licence, on the last eight passports I've ever had, on all those stupid customs declaration forms I've had to fill out before being allowed off planes over the past 30 years. It's also on all those insufferable census forms that I've filled out every 5 years since 1966.

Also... would somebody please take note, once and for all, that my mother ' s name is Audrey, my father 's name is Jack, and I'd be absolutely ****ing astounded if that ever changed between now and when I drop dead!!!...

****! What do you people do with all this information we keep having to provide??

I apologise, Mr. Minister. But I'm really ****ed off this morning. Between you and me, I've had enough of all this bull****! You send the application to my house, then you ask me for my ****ing address!! What the hell is going on with your mob? Have you got a gang of mindless Neanderthal arseholes working there!

And another thing, look at my damn picture... Do I look like Bin Laden?
I can't even grow a beard for God's sakes. I just want to go to New Zealand and see my new granddaughter. (Yes, my son interbred with a Kiwi girl). And would someone please tell me, why would you give a **** whether or not I plan on visiting a farm in the next 15 days? In the unlikely event I ever got the urge to do something weird to a sheep or a horse, believe you me, I'd sure as hell not want to tell anyone!

Well, I have to go now, cause I have to go to the other end of the city, and get another ****ing copy of my birth certificate - and to part with another $80 for the privilege of accessing MY OWN INFORMATION!

Would it be so complicated to have all the services in the same spot, to assist in the issuance of a new passport on the same day??

Nooooo.. that'd be too ****ing easy and makes far too much sense. You would much prefer to have us running all over the place like chickens with our ****ing heads cut off, and then having to find some ' high-society ' wanker to confirm that it 's really me in the goddamn photo! You know the photo... the one where we're not allowed to smile?! .... you ****ing morons.

Signed - An Irate Australian Citizen.

P.S. Remember what I said above about the picture, and getting someone in ' high-society ' to confirm that it's me? Well, my family has been in this country since before 1850! In 1856, one of my forefathers took up arms with Peter Lalor. (You do remember the Eureka Stockade!!) 

I have also served in both the CMF and regular Army for something over 30 years (I went to Vietnam in 1967), and still have high security clearances. I'm also a personal friend of the president of the RSL... and Lt General Peter Cosgrove sends me a Christmas card each year.

However, your rules require that I have to get someone "important" to verify who I am; You know... someone like my doctor - WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ****ING PAKISTAN !!!..... a country where they either assassinate or hang their ex-Prime Ministers - and are suspended from the Commonwealth for not having the "right sort of government".

You are all ****ing idiots!
 

[pmccarthy]

The important pat of Thruster88s quote is that :

Under those regulations, all current pilots must have an aviation security status check. You will also need an aviation security status check if are applying for a flight crew licence.

 

 

[jackc]

Just stay away from airstrips with all the regulatory b/s and fly to known friendly bush airstrips and ALAs.

Dont look to RAAus too much, I get the impression they are trying to be pseudo GA organisation.

Time to make a modern AUF and leave all the b/s behind.........

[skippydiesel]

In my limited (mainly NSW) experiencing every "security controlled" airfield I have landed at had, no one checking who I was, if I even had an ASIC, or had any interest in my movements in/out the "security" gate to get fuel - total waste of tax payer & pilots dollars. This ridiculous system must not be promoted in any way and should be vigorously apposed at every opportunity.

 

There is a way round it - you can phone/call ahead and request a security escort to &  from your aircraft - Can you imagine how that would go down??

[Jabiru7252]

Yea, I landed at Bourke and Broken Hill. No body asked me for any ID. Thank Heavens!