Covid 19

[Jerry_Atrick]

In the UK, as long as parliament passed a law or the direction to murder civilians was authorised under an act of parliament, then, no, it wasn't illegal (although, in all honesty, there is a case to say the UK parliament is illegal or has no authority - all to do with William of Orange, or something like that). Although academics and the legal profession believe the UK has a constitution, the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy means that the courts will not challenge a law made by parliament.

 

Therefore, the massacre of coal miners was performed under parliamentary laws, then, it is not illegal.

[turboplanner]

9 hours ago, Markdun said:

There aren’t a lot of them in Australia.  Try Anne Twomey, or George Williams, or go to some recent online seminars on the topic.  Even read some reports by the Parliamentary library for example on the unlawful/unconstitutional expenditure of public funds by the federal government.  You are just plain wrong on the military being used in thousands of civil matters, unless you include the S&R actions...which is under the direction of State authorities (declaration...I was once ‘rescued’ by a naval helicopter as a teen bushwalker caught in floods.  The oPeration was under the control and direction of NSW police.  I have since been a rescuer on military helicopters a few times...also under direction of the police...and the military were, by a large degree, far more competent than their police controllers).  The issue isn’t the use of the military per se, nor the competence of the military, but the use of the military against civil law.  The police are subject to a range of limitations on their powers (and there are cases where these are breached).  But it is a different matter for the military whose chain of command is through their commanding officers and their commander in chief, the Governor-General.

Where most people go wrong in situations like this is only looking at the basic Acts and not finding the Supplementary Acts which can be bigger and more specific than the base Act, and not finding the applicable Regulations pertaining to the ACT or the legal cases which set precedents or the conventions applied by Parliament.

 

I wouldn't expect constitutional lawyers to fall into that category, but the lawyers who are employed to draft the Bills which become the Acts make plenty of mistakes.

 

I didn't exclude S & R, the Commonwealth often supplies troops for that along with bridge building, road clearing etc.

The most recent event where Defence troops came into Victoria was a storm in the Dandenong Ranges which left hundreds of homes without power with no chance of rebuilding for weeks. The ADF managed the assembly and supply to every household of a generator.

 

The process is usually a request from the State to the Commonwealth for help. If the Governor General has had any concern about being bypassed it certainly hasn't surfaced publicly.

 

If your concerns are miltary use against civil law then you would need to be very specific.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jerry_Atrick]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Where most people go wrong in situations like this is only looking at the basic Acts and not finding the Supplementary Acts which can be bigger and more specific than the base Act, and not finding the applicable Regulations pertaining to the ACT or the legal cases which set precedents or the conventions applied by Parliament.

Absolutely agree.. The other bit to remember is to look at the decision of the High Court in the context of precedent, where constitutional challenges are brought (usually the full bench is the definitive interpretation).

 

The ADF (like many other countries' defence forces) are often deployed for humanitarian aid. This isn't S&R, and isn't military operations (in the sense of war, anyway). The aid can be foreign or domestic..

https://news.defence.gov.au/topic/disaster-relief-humanitarian-assistance

 

They even help with cleaning up afterwards: https://ajem.infoservices.com.au/items/AJEM-26-03-05

 

 

[Markdun]

Like I said, the current convention is that military use in domestic civil actions is that they (a) only do so on request by a State government; and (b) are under direction of State authorities.  But the law is unclear....the call out of the military in the Hilton bombing was without a request from NSW and was without NSW State command.

The question is the extent of federal Executive power.  And yes the Federal Executive (ie. ministers and civil and military etc) ought to be subject to Acts of Parliament, but as we have seen in the various ‘rorts’ funding programs, and the Robo debt debacle, they don’t seem to care about complying with the law of the land.   Most people are aware of the divisions of powers in our Cth Constitution between the States and the Cth, and that any ‘residual’ powers are with the States, ie. the Cth only has the powers given to it under the written constitution.  But the Federal Government has asserted fairly recently that it has the residual powers of Crown discretion.  If I recall correctly this was raised in the High Court on the chaplaincy program, along the lines that even if the federal parliament couldn’t make a law to fund religious activity, the Cth could use the Queen’s discretionary powers to do so anyway.  The Cth lost that case on other grounds so it wasn’t tested.  But Cormann still gave the Constitution the big finger by effectively overturning the High Court decision that recipients pay the money back, by ‘forgiving the debt’ to the Cth.

As to Spacey’s comment....the UK is not a constitutional democracy, nor is it truly a federation of states as Australia is.  The UK also doesn’t have separation of powers between parliament, the judiciary and the executive, nor constitutional sharing of power between member states and federal government, all of which were very deliberate elements in the framing of Australia’s commonwealth to protect citizens from absolute power.  Yes, I know the UK claims to have some separation of powers, and has divulged some power to parts of the disunited kingdom like Scotland and Wales, but this is all at the discretion of Westminister.

 

[Flightrite]

Just finished watching a broadcast on a site called "rumble" with Steve Peters doing an interview with Alan Hennessy . Can't add the link as I am unable to but search for it am sure you will find it. Warning though as it's going to upset the indoctrinated prolific posters here!:-)

[skippydiesel]

8 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

Just finished watching a broadcast on a site called "rumble" with Steve Peters doing an interview with Alan Hennessy . Can't add the link as I am unable to but search for it am sure you will find it. Warning though as it's going to upset the indoctrinated prolific posters here!:-)

Sooo : which one is the epidemiologist?? virologist ??? any qualifications that may be relevant???

[octave]

19 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

Just finished watching a broadcast on a site called "rumble" with Steve Peters doing an interview with Alan Hennessy . Can't add the link as I am unable to but search for it am sure you will find it. Warning though as it's going to upset the indoctrinated prolific posters here!:-)

Why cant you add the link?   You could at least type the address or give more information so we can search ?  Is it this video  KIDS DEAD AFTER JAB IN AUSTRALIA?

Edited August 22, 2021 by octave

[turboplanner]

5 minutes ago, octave said:

Why cant you add the link?   You could at least type the address or give more information so we can search ?  Is it this video  KIDS DEAD AFTER JAB IN AUSTRALIA?

Sounds about right - they were probably naughty.

 

[onetrack]

The Rumble site is noted for promoting vaccine conspiracies and other misinformation that other channels refuse to promote.

 

If you want to make a motza out of a new streaming channel, start promoting misinformation and anti-govt conspiracy stories where the story tellers can't back up their stories with real evidence - sort of like Trumps claims about the "big steal", whereby he still cannot produce a shred of admissable court evidence, despite lodging multiple lawsuits against his election loss.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/rumble-sends-viewers-tumbling-toward-misinformation/

 

You won't find the story (that Flightrite refers to) easily, doing a Google search - for two reasons, nay three -

1. Google hates Rumble because Rumble is intent on replacing Youtube, and Google searches decline to find Rumble due to Google algorithms that are likely designed to remove Rumble from Google searches. Rumble is currently suing Google over this feature. The lawsuit is ongoing.

2. The story is misinformation about 2 children that have reportedly died in Australia as a direct result of COVID-19 vaccination. The story is false, plain and simple.

3. Flightrite referred to the interviewer as "Steve Peters", the interviewers correct name is "Stew Peters".

 

https://rumble.com/vlgv9j-exclusive-footage-kids-dead-after-jab-in-australia-eye-popping-interview-wi.html

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by onetrack

[Markdun]

And here is Morrison dog whistling people to go against State governments and not giving a fuck about deaths.  Not a lot difference between him and Trump.

’Our goal must be to help people overcome those fears and not give in to them, because this cannot go on forever. 

This is not a sustainable way to live in this country, without those freedoms that we all cherish. 

We understand, all sensible Australians understand, that there’s had to be restrictions, there’s had to be curtailment of what we can do during the course of a global pandemic.

The virus doesn’t respect ideologies, it doesn’t respect any of these things. 

It’s just a virus, and we have to deal with it, and Australians get that. But equally, they also know there has to be a plan out, there is a plan out, and we need to move forward with that plan.’

[kgwilson]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

The Rumble site is noted for promoting vaccine conspiracies and other misinformation that other channels refuse to promote.

 

If you want to make a motza out of a new streaming channel, start promoting misinformation and anti-govt conspiracy stories where the story tellers can't back up their stories with real evidence - sort of like Trumps claims about the "big steal", whereby he still cannot produce a shred of admissable court evidence, despite lodging multiple lawsuits against his election loss.

 

https://www.wired.com/story/rumble-sends-viewers-tumbling-toward-misinformation/

 

You won't find the story (that Flightrite refers to) easily, doing a Google search - for two reasons, nay three -

1. Google hates Rumble because Rumble is intent on replacing Youtube, and Google searches decline to find Rumble due to Google algorithms that are likely designed to remove Rumble from Google searches. Rumble is currently suing Google over this feature. The lawsuit is ongoing.

2. The story is misinformation about 2 children that have reportedly died in Australia as a direct result of COVID-19 vaccination. The story is false, plain and simple.

3. Flightrite referred to the interviewer as "Steve Peters", the interviewers correct name is "Stew Peters".

 

https://rumble.com/vlgv9j-exclusive-footage-kids-dead-after-jab-in-australia-eye-popping-interview-wi.html

 

 

I didn't bother checking but this is exactly as I expected it to be.

[turboplanner]

NZ cases at 100 from 1 person returning from Australia. Shows just how fast the Delta strain can move through a community.   https://www.theage.com.au/world/oceania/new-zealand-covid-outbreak-cases-surge-past-100-20210823-p58l2h.html

 

[kgwilson]

And that is after an instant lockdown. 13,320 individual contacts have been identified as well as 300 places of interest. There are 120 people isolating in the South Island. There are 600 contact tracers working full time and they expect to double that number over the next few days. The rise in cases is the highest it has ever been for any outbreak since the beginning of this pandemic.

 

Only time will tell if they are able to get on top of it. Meanwhile vaccinations have ramped up considerably after a pretty slow start even though NZ was at 102% of its original target with front line health workers having all been vaccinated. So far just over a million people 1/5th of the population have been fully vaccinated while 1.8 million have had the first shot. 

[spacesailor]

BUT

A NIGHT CURFEW , !

A day  curfew would make a lot more sence. For some that night walk when overtired is a blessing.

A DAY curfew were your only locked in House,  so NO meetings or demonstration,s with others,

Would see a ' curfew  ' arrest charge.

spacesailor

 

[turboplanner]

6 minutes ago, spacesailor said:

BUT

A NIGHT CURFEW , !

A day  curfew would make a lot more sence. For some that night walk when overtired is a blessing.

A DAY curfew were your only locked in House,  so NO meetings or demonstration,s with others,

Would see a ' curfew  ' arrest charge.

spacesailor

 

Stop complaining. The Health people are trying to save lives, and recent outbreaks in Sydney and Melbourne were due to people partying and visiting family at nights. That's how some of the big infection spreads occurred.

 

A night curfew stops the partying and makes it very obvious if someone is moving around, so much easier for authorities to see and check.

 

The Health people who set these conditions are trying to get the number of infections back under control looking at both the Victorian and NSW figures this morning it looks as if both States mught just turn their outbreaks around if people stay at home.

 

[RossK]

8 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Stop complaining. The Health people are trying to save lives, and recent outbreaks in Sydney and Melbourne were due to people partying and visiting family at nights. That's how some of the big infection spreads occurred.

 

A night curfew stops the partying and makes it very obvious if someone is moving around, so much easier for authorities to see and check.

 

The Health people who set these conditions are trying to get the number of infections back under control looking at both the Victorian and NSW figures this morning it looks as if both States mught just turn their outbreaks around if people stay at home.

 

Agree, if the small minority of selfish people could just do the right thing for a couple of weeks, we'd be done with this by now.

[skippydiesel]

5 hours ago, RossK said:

Agree, if the small minority of selfish people could just do the right thing for a couple of weeks, we'd be done with this by now.

I wish I had your confidence. Just heard on the news that a an infected construction worker has traveled from Sydney to Dubbo (I think).

 

As long as Gladys does not understand that a real quarantine lockdown requires as close to nil movement of people as is possible, we will continue to see outbreaks.

 

Just looked at some of the rules for travel within NSW;

 

• You can still travel to your second home ( may be required to justify this eg your partner lives there) - that's okay then, just take the virus to home No 2,infect partner who lives & moves within  that community
• You can still travel to buy/sell a house - Gladys didn't learn from the infected house buyer who traveled from Sydney to Batman's Bay
• Priests and other mumbo jumbo types can travel to conduct "pastoral" care - obviously God would not let them catch/transmit CV19
• All sorts of jobs (that cant be done at home) can go about their business - CV would give them a disease free passage

 

Gladys is in full avoidance of appalling management mode - none of this is her (teams) fault - Delta is just so infective - who would have thought (the rest of the World must have been keeping it a secret from the NSW Gov)- the jab will save us ????

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by skippydiesel

[planesmaker]

Kids dying at the Qudos Bank Arena? Not a mention of it in the news, why???? What is happening? How would you feel if it was your child? Safe and effective? I don’t think so. Australians open your eyes,we are being lied to.

PCR positive test does not mean you have Covid 19, could simply be the common cold or even less. 

 

[aro]

52 minutes ago, planesmaker said:

PCR positive test does not mean you have Covid 19, could simply be the common cold or even less. 

No idea what you're referring to with Qudos Bank, but this claim about the PCR tests is false. They are 100% specific for COVID.

 

There are other PCR tests for other diseases, but the laboratories know which test they are running.

[Markdun]

There is quite a bit of published research on the effectiveness of the Covid PCR test.  False positives are very rare...probably less than 1%. False negatives are more common....maybe 10% (a fair amount of variability in the research).  So getting a positive Covid PCR test result when all you have is the common cold would be very rare, less than 1 in one hundred tests.

[octave]

9 hours ago, planesmaker said:

Kids dying at the Qudos Bank Arena? Not a mention of it in the news, why????

Because it is not happening.  Children are not even being mass vaccinated yet. I think approval has only just been given for vaccination down to 16 years old and this is not yet being done due to supply..  I have seen this allegation and it  is tin foil hat conspiracy stuff which talks about vaccination centres as "euthanasia centres. I also believes it is part of the "new world order"

[Flightrite]

11 hours ago, planesmaker said:

Kids dying at the Qudos Bank Arena? Not a mention of it in the news, why???? What is happening? How would you feel if it was your child? Safe and effective? I don’t think so. Australians open your eyes,we are being lied to.

PCR positive test does not mean you have Covid 19, could simply be the common cold or even less. 

 

We've been lied to since day one! Save ya breath trying to convince the usual indoctrinated  crowd here:-) The grubby clowns have been going from one cluster truck to another! The megalomaniac lunatic Andrews is the worst offender, the destroyer of hopes & dreams!

Australia is being left behind whilst the rest of the world opens up, Australia is not the clever country despite the tag, its a rare thing to see these days!

 

[waraton]

The impact of COVID lockdowns relating to clubs can be an issue. A club I am part of maintains its own strip and hangar, and is off grid. Our club confirmed that checks and maintenance on infrastructure are covered in NSW as a reasonable excuse to leave home for volunteer work which cannot be completed from home. Our club published a roster with a list of duties and put a COVID safety plan with QR scan in place. We have someone fulfil this role every 2 days or so and although we are all grounded at least our patch of heaven is being cared for as long as restrictions remain in place. Itching to get back in the air though.

[onetrack]

Flightrite, give us examples of the Govt lies you're talking about? What is your recipe for virus control? Or doesn't the virus even exist in your mind?

[spacesailor]

My own little community got it,s virus from ' out of area ' construction workers !  Building cheap rental flats !.

No masks were worn by them even though there was that Liverpool outbreak, frequenting shops & cafe,s

In the town as if it wouldn't get brought here by them !.

Not by anyone walking at night.

spacesailor