Covid 19

[danny_galaga]

13 hours ago, aro said:

No idea what you're referring to with Qudos Bank, but this claim about the PCR tests is false. They are 100% specific for COVID.

 

There are other PCR tests for other diseases, but the laboratories know which test they are running.

He's probably been listening to Alan Jones or some other equally eminent virologist 

Edited August 24, 2021 by danny_galaga

[Markdun]

Onetrack, like a confirmed liar or perjurer in the witness box, anyone who believes anything uttered by a politician without independent corroboration, is on pretty shaky ground.  In any sort of crisis, truth from government is the first fatality.  And to that extent Flightrite might have a point.  However, we do have good, trusted and reliable sources of information.....like the World Health Organisation’s twice weekly press conference pandemic updates, our expert epidemiologists, virologists at universities, etc etc.  Thus, it may be true that governments lie, but this does not mean the pandemic is any less real.

As to the ‘rest of the world is opening up’, I can only guess what that means.  Australia’s economy has been doing relatively good compared to other countries.  Most economic activities and trade continue...albeit not trade based on movement of people across borders like tourism and commercial airlines.  But that is just some economic restructuring (like increased working from home) that needs to occur to enable us to ‘live with covid’ without large numbers dying from covid.

And I’m glad Australia’s is being left behind other countries in the Covid death league tables (though it seems there is a growing view we should join the other loser countries like the USA and the UK).

I must say I’m pretty disappointed in the so-called ‘freedom marches’.....the idea that ‘freedom’ is a right to go to mass gatherings, nightclubs etc, but not freedom from arbitrary detention without trial (law just passed in federal parliament yesterday), or that people can be charged, convicted and gaoled in secrecy, or that our federal parliament has time to amend voting laws to establish a barrier for small political parties to fairly participate in election (mainly to noble the New Liberal Party), but no time to provide laws so citizenry can vote electronically.

Spacey’s also got a valid point about curfews.....but I think the rationale is not infection control but police resource management.  A person out bushwalking, or flying their single seat plane is similarly not a great risk of being a super spreader.  I’m caught in the NSW lockdown because I’m at my airstrip, which ought to be in the ACT border zone, but because the ACT govt defined the border zone by where the postie does their run (postcodes) instead of LGAs, we are technically outside the zone.

[onetrack]

I find the TGA has the most informative virus and vaccine site - I have to agree that if you trust politicians to tell the truth constantly, you'll be seriously misled.

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/collection/covid-19

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, onetrack said:

I find the TGA has the most informative virus and vaccine site - I have to agree that if you trust politicians to tell the truth constantly, you'll be seriously misled.

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/collection/covid-19

It continues to intrugue me how some people are attracted to politicians like a moth to a flame, alsways spewing hatred even when the poltician has no connection or jurisdiction to the subject.

[Old Koreelah]

14 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

It continues to intrugue me how some people are attracted to politicians like a moth to a flame, alsways spewing hatred even when the poltician has no connection or jurisdiction to the subject.

It’s human nature to prefer those who reinforce our prejudices.

 

[turboplanner]

14 hours ago, onetrack said:

I find the TGA has the most informative virus and vaccine site - I have to agree that if you trust politicians to tell the truth constantly, you'll be seriously misled.

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/collection/covid-19

Interestingly while TGA compressed its normal full evaluation and Approvals programme to stuck to the promised March 2021 rollout start for our vaccine programme, the US started vaccinating their way out of the pandemic on an Emergency approval, and only received formal FDA approval of Pfizer yesterday, and FDA haven't finished AZ yet.

Edited August 24, 2021 by turboplanner

[planesmaker]

I wonder what little candy that mummy Gladys is going to give to all the good little boys and girls?

[Flightrite]

48 minutes ago, planesmaker said:

I wonder what little candy that mummy Gladys is going to give to all the good little boys and girls?

Haha love that:-) ALL the lunatics in charge are enjoying their power trips whilst they send numerous businesses to the wall & individuals to desperation with their oppression! It wont end here there's plenty more hurt to be handed out yet! By Xmas during lockdown No 10 (or whatever number) we may very well see far more revolt in the streets! Talk about a divided ruined nation!

[turboplanner]

20 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

Haha love that:-) ALL the lunatics in charge are enjoying their power trips whilst they send numerous businesses to the wall & individuals to desperation with their oppression! It wont end here there's plenty more hurt to be handed out yet! By Xmas during lockdown No 10 (or whatever number) we may very well see far more revolt in the streets! Talk about a divided ruined nation!

I can't be bothered talking about a divided ruined nation; if 820 people hadn't been infected internally in Melbourne Aged Care facilities Australia would currently be sitting 13th best in the world in minimising Covid-19 deaths so far. 161 Countries can't say that, most getting nowhere near our performance.

Edited August 24, 2021 by turboplanner

[planedriver]

Thought for the day.

If you don't follow mainstream news media, you are uninformed.

However, if you do follow it, you are so often misinformed.

 

[turboplanner]

2 minutes ago, planedriver said:

Thought for the day.

If you don't follow mainstream news media, you are uninformed.

However, if you do follow it, you are so often misinformed.

 

We're going through a phase where the mainstream print media is on the ropes. The best journalists are strggling to get stories, or being paid peanuts to work at home. There's an increase in Contributors (people who write stories, send them in and an editor buys the story. Many of the new brigade are not that good at spelling or grammar and a lot of the specialise knowledge is retiring. We did it through not buying newspapers and not buying advertising space.

 

There's room for someone to start an electronic media based on research and fact checking.

[nomadpete]

Nice idea, Nev. But not likely to happen. People don't want to pay for information, these days.

So the information streams are provided by less visible financial backers who are expecting a financial return on their "information".

[Jabiru7252]

Y'all hillbillies need to think before ya post, some comments are just plain stupid and ignorant...

[planedriver]

Point very clearly made  and Granny Mae tends to agree.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Great day for Victoria today with Victoria topping Australia with NAPLAN results. I've been in Online schooling with my grandson every day from last year, and certainly a percentage of the students 9 and 10 yos left alone in bed fall behind, but the Victorian Education Department employed one on one tutors to bring those up to scratch by the end of Term 3 last year, passed virtually all students, then had the tutors return in term 1 for more one on one work, so virtually all were a match for their class by the end of term 1. One of the advantages of Online learning is the student doesn't have to cool his her heels waiting for all the queries to be addressed by the teacher, we go off and start our assignments, and those children come on line one by one, so most students get more done and that is probably the main reason for the above average results which came out on the same day that the Commonwealth Childrens Commissioner was peddling the line that a whole generation fo children had lost the year forever.

[Bruce Tuncks]

I once read that if you really need your kid to get a big score, like to get into medicine, you need them to home school a lot.

[Jabiru7252]

Because they dumbed down education so much over the last thirty years or so, even scoring high these days is pretty awful. I still find younger folks (say under 40) or do not know their times tables and think a square root is having sex with a nerd. Throw out the computers so students have to think for themselves. Having said that, Prof. Julius Sumner Miller lamented the poor quality of education over sixty years ago. I heard from a teacher dumbing down was done so idiots could score high marks and useless teachers wouldn't appear so useless.

[planedriver]

Teachers union members trying to cover their Ars* I would imagine.

It's amazing how us older folk really appreciate how many times tables have assisted us in life.

I recently went to a shop and simply bought two items at $6 each and gave the young girl a $20 note. because the electronic till wasn't working, she ended asking me how much change she needed to give me.

[planedriver]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Great day for Victoria today with Victoria topping Australia with NAPLAN results. I've been in Online schooling with my grandson every day from last year, and certainly a percentage of the students 9 and 10 yos left alone in bed fall behind, but the Victorian Education Department employed one on one tutors to bring those up to scratch by the end of Term 3 last year, passed virtually all students, then had the tutors return in term 1 for more one on one work, so virtually all were a match for their class by the end of term 1. One of the advantages of Online learning is the student doesn't have to cool his her heels waiting for all the queries to be addressed by the teacher, we go off and start our assignments, and those children come on line one by one, so most students get more done and that is probably the main reason for the above average results which came out on the same day that the Commonwealth Childrens Commissioner was peddling the line that a whole generation fo children had lost the year forever.

I hope you got good marks mate, don't let the boy down.

[turboplanner]

4 minutes ago, planedriver said:

I hope you got good marks mate, don't let the boy down.

I passed Grade 3 OK so looking good

[onetrack]

Try buying something from a young person at a till for say, $11.55, and then give them a $20 note plus $1.55 in small change - so they only have to hand you a $10 note in change. Most of them are completely lost, as to how much change to give you.

[turboplanner]

30 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Try buying something from a young person at a till for say, $11.55, and then give them a $20 note plus $1.55 in small change - so they only have to hand you a $10 note in change. Most of them are completely lost, as to how much change to give you.

We’ve been working on coins and change in Grade 4 this week. About 50 mental Calcs so far.

[red750]

Talk about kids, computers and calculators, get a load of these Chinese kids.

 

[danny_galaga]

1 hour ago, planedriver said:

Teachers union members trying to cover their Ars* I would imagine.

It's amazing how us older folk really appreciate how many times tables have assisted us in life.

I recently went to a shop and simply bought two items at $6 each and gave the young girl a $20 note. because the electronic till wasn't working, she ended asking me how much change she needed to give me.

This is what is called an argument by selected instance.

[Jabiru7252]

3 hours ago, planedriver said:

Teachers union members trying to cover their Ars* I would imagine.

It's amazing how us older folk really appreciate how many times tables have assisted us in life.

I recently went to a shop and simply bought two items at $6 each and gave the young girl a $20 note. because the electronic till wasn't working, she ended asking me how much change she needed to give me.

Yes. I knew a checkout chick who had to use a pad and pencil to work out $35.00 from $50.00. She was really embarrassed but I said it's not her fault, it's the failure of the education system. I think she appreciated that.