Covid 19

[turboplanner]

2 minutes ago, Marty_d said:

 

It worked!   🤣

Yeah but it doesn't carry any weight.

[Marty_d]

6 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

Yeah but it doesn't carry any weight.

That was kind of my point.  Amusing all the same though.

[Garfly]

Not like you, Flighty, to send an icon to do an argument's job.

 

 

[Marty_d]

Here's one for the anti-vaxxers.

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/countless-antivaxxers-and-covid19-hoax-believers-dying-from-the-virus/news-story/081c41083f36cf121a495bafa243e7b5

 

[jackc]

1 hour ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

About buying Qld real estate sight unseen... there was a guy who WENT there to buy a block to retire on. Years later, he took his wife to see it and somebody else was building.  

It turned out that the block he thought he was buying was different from the one he actually bought. Nobody had sympathy for him..." you bought land in Qld without your own lawyer and surveyor? " was the incredulous chorus.

Everyday, people buy cars on line, sight unseen……like much other secondhand stuff…….be aware, THEY are out there 🙂 

[jackc]

[danny_galaga]

While I'm a centre left kinda guy politically, I really feel bad for people who believe in conservative politics and find their parties are being ruined by anti science nut jobs. Most obvious in the US with the Republican Party, but also here with the Liberals and Nationals. While I didn't always agree with those parties, they had a different and valid point of view to mine (which is important in a democracy). Now they just seem like a joke. I hope for my American Friends a new conservative party forms so they have a respectable voice again. The Republicans can just rename themselves to the Clown Party. 

[facthunter]

We coped with measles mumps smallpox polio pneumococcal and.TB to name a few with the aid of vaccines. Have we forgotten?. Virus's don't think  or walk fly around without a vector. Usually people in this instance. Migrating birds can carry some dreadful diseases (The ones that make it and die here.) Never handle one that's sick. If you want to spread diseases world wide start with cruise boats and aeroplanes. Virus mutate other critters build up an immunity.

 Vaccines give YOU a quick acquired immunity. that lasts for a while. Nev

[spacesailor]

After All those   'immunizations ', we had as kids, over the last 60 - 70 years.

WHY aren,t we embracing this New vaccination with open ams.

I jumped at the chance of NOT dying by covic disease. 

I probably have had Everything,  except german measles, my brother got that one.

I talked a couple of my grandchildren into getting the shot, because of the pain & suffering it would cause the wife & l, haveing to attend their funeral, instead of their birthday party.

I am still hopeful my nephew will head this advice as well.

Only one out of my extended family has been lost to this covic19.

Very sadly missed by thousands of his family

spacesailor

PS 

Please take care out there !. I don,t want anyone here on an ' obitury ' notice.

[kgwilson]

1 hour ago, Marty_d said:

Here's one for the anti-vaxxers.

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/countless-antivaxxers-and-covid19-hoax-believers-dying-from-the-virus/news-story/081c41083f36cf121a495bafa243e7b5

 

And all these express regret at their original stance but what I still find amazing is that there are masses of anti vaxers who ignore these obvious failures of their beliefs and keep on repeating the same old BS. Some in the US even refused to believe they had Covid with their dying breath. According to another crazy story everyone is being injected with a microchip that is hidden in the vaccine to somehow control us. That means I've got 2 of them now. That's good. If I get lost they will know which Kennel I came from and where to send me home to.

[Garfly]

25 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

And all these express regret at their original stance but what I still find amazing is that there are masses of anti vaxers who ignore these obvious failures of their beliefs and keep on repeating the same old BS. Some in the US even refused to believe they had Covid with their dying breath. 

Yeah, belief trumps information.  Mind you, the influencers who promote the BS don't, themselves, believe it.  They all get the jab.  Selling snake oil to those who yearn to believe, brings its own rewards.

Though Trump and Craig Kelly might get a Mulligan on this one, due certifiable diminished responsibility.

 

25 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

According to another crazy story everyone is being injected with a microchip that is hidden in the vaccine to somehow control us. That means I've got 2 of them now. That's good. If I get lost they will know which Kennel I came from and where to send me home to.

Huh!? I thought you used OzDogways.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by Garfly

[onetrack]

One has to remember, the Americans are extremely distrusting of their Govts, and have been for 200+ years. Many American Govts have been quite untrustworthy.

 

To add to that, there was the dreadful testing and manufacturing error of the first polio vaccine in 1954 (the Cutter Incident), that killed 5 American children, paralysed another 50, and made 40,000 children very ill.

 

This led to a lot of distrust of vaccines amongst Americans, which still carries on to this day. Add in the regular number of conspiracists, right wing "freedom lovers" and gun nuts, plus a fair dose of national paranoia, and the stage is set for much dissent.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/

 

 

[danny_galaga]

17 minutes ago, onetrack said:

One has to remember, the Americans are extremely distrusting of their Govts, and have been for 200+ years. Many American Govts have been quite untrustworthy.

 

To add to that, there was the dreadful testing and manufacturing error of the first polio vaccine in 1954 (the Cutter Incident), that killed 5 American children, paralysed another 50, and made 40,000 children very ill.

 

This led to a lot of distrust of vaccines amongst Americans, which still carries on to this day. Add in the regular number of conspiracists, right wing "freedom lovers" and gun nuts, plus a fair dose of national paranoia, and the stage is set for much dissent.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/

 

 

And yet even the most recalcitrant states in the US have better vaccination rates than here. I'm sure we will over take them soon, but it shows how much Australia has dragged it's feet when even Georgia has a higher rate of vaccination.

 

I think the lottery idea has merit. I cant remember the exact figures, but one state in the US introduced it and gave away say $6 million and saved say $60 in medical expenses.

 

Give people a chance to win a million bucks and let's see how many people remain sitting on the fence 😄

Edited September 2, 2021 by danny_galaga

[RossK]

2 hours ago, danny_galaga said:

While I'm a centre left kinda guy politically, I really feel bad for people who believe in conservative politics and find their parties are being ruined by anti science nut jobs. Most obvious in the US with the Republican Party, but also here with the Liberals and Nationals. While I didn't always agree with those parties, they had a different and valid point of view to mine (which is important in a democracy). Now they just seem like a joke. I hope for my American Friends a new conservative party forms so they have a respectable voice again. The Republicans can just rename themselves to the Clown Party. 

As a centre right kinda guy, what concerns me is the shift in both parties to the extremities. We don't seem to have any decent politicians who are centre left or centre right.

The consequence of this is we see the vocal parts of our society mimicking our politicians, with no middle ground represented. You are either right or wrong depending on which side you are, none of your opinions can be considered as valid if you don't agree 100%.

 

[Garfly]

Distrust of government, especially in some contexts, is understandable.  But it's the over-trust in manipulators and conmen (politicians and profiteers ) whose only recommendation is that they profess the same tribal loyalty, that's the puzzling phenomenon.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by Garfly

[jackc]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/study-finds-covid-moderna-vaccine-produces-twice-as-many-antibodies-as-pfizer/news-story/1b36883e9e39221b65c5f122cd570665

[aro]

More antibodies... but they don't know whether it makes any difference to protection.

 

What they do know is none of the vaccines give any protection until you receive them. The important thing is to get any of the available vaccines.

[skippydiesel]

7 hours ago, danny_galaga said:

And yet even the most recalcitrant states in the US have better vaccination rates than here. I'm sure we will over take them soon, but it shows how much Australia has dragged it's feet when even Georgia has a higher rate of vaccination.

 

I think the lottery idea has merit. I cant remember the exact figures, but one state in the US introduced it and gave away say $6 million and saved say $60 in medical expenses.

 

Give people a chance to win a million bucks and let's see how many people remain sitting on the fence 😄

Until NSW decided to go its own way (egged on/supported by Scomo) and open the door to CV19/Delta, the Australian public had little incentive to get vaccinated - why would you?

For the most part ,we were at Zero Community Transmission (no hurry then), when there were so many contradictory messages coming from above,  about AZ risk, compared with Pfizer, Moderna, etc. Might as well wait for the "safe" jab (FYI no such thing - all vaccines carry a degree of risk).

Anyhow there were bugger all vaccines in the country and providers few & far between, so waiting lists were almost" eternal"

 

So now our dollar/big business driven leaders, have decided it is cheaper to get as many vaccinated as possible, prior to unleashing Delta on the population (thanks Gladys/Scomo).

Fear is a great motivator - we will catch up with the international vaccination rate, for one simple reason, we will like them have Delta loose in our country - mainly the unvaccinated, will suffer, die, live with long term disability

How will our health system cope? No problemo ! according the the NSW/Federal politicians - how is it then, we already have "ambulance ramping" ? The signs are not good.

[jackc]

The reason we have so many problems is bureaucratic decisions gone wrong, Ruby Princess comes to mind as a starter.  The list continues…….

States and Federal Govts arguing with each other….. 

[planedriver]

11 hours ago, jackc said:

Is that another truth spoken in jest I wonder?

[Old Koreelah]

17 hours ago, RossK said:

As a centre right kinda guy, what concerns me is the shift in both parties to the extremities. We don't seem to have any decent politicians who are centre left or centre right.

The consequence of this is we see the vocal parts of our society mimicking our politicians, with no middle ground represented. You are either right or wrong...

 

[turboplanner]

50 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said:

 

Our political system is nothing like the US, with no need for the entrenched positions the US Parties take.

For example, when interviewed this morning a Liberal Government Minister was publicly backed by a Labor Shadow Minister. Our Committee system is bipartisan, and once a Committee has finished calling witnesses to get the facts and hashed it around their party dogmas and reached a conclusion, a resulting Bill often gets through Parliament very efficiently.

Edited September 2, 2021 by turboplanner

[kgwilson]

And it is 100% politics that has got us into this mess. Our slow vaccination start was obviously known right from the start but Scomo chose to lie by big noting himself about the millions of doses he'd secured and everyone would be fully vaccinated by October. Then he said shipments had been delayed. Total BS he never even had a delivery schedule when making those big noting announcements.

 

NZ had an equally slow vaccination start but it was based on supply not orders and their top priority was all front line workers. There is a plan and they were at 100 to 102% of the plan from the start with all front line workers vaccinated before Delta arrived. 

 

We are at the bottom of the world with small populations and at the time were almost Covid free. The Vaccine producers were in the Covid ravaged places in the heavily populated Europe and N America. Obviously that is where the priority for vaccine delivery was going to be but don't let reality get in the way of self promotion. Then start changing advice almost daily when a side effect issue appears, blow it out of all proportion with the press sow the seeds of fear in sectors of the public & then try to remove all that. A lot of people used to call Trump a F***ing moron, now we have one.

 

Now that NSW & Victoria have admitted defeat on controlling the virus the Pollies have unsurprisingly changed tune again. Aren't we doing well with the vaccination numbers. Don't mention front line workers, exhausted paramedics, Emergency Room and ICU staff as well as inadequate facilities.

[KRviator]

11 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

How will our health system cope? No problemo ! according the the NSW/Federal politicians - how is it then, we already have "ambulance ramping" ? The signs are not good.

True - but look at McGoose over in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Westralia...We have ramping and a health system under pressure in NSW because we're pushing 1,200 Delta cases a day. He has a health system under pressure, record ramping times & elective surgeries cancelled without Covid! 

At least, that explains why he's kept the border closed. He's shit scared of it getting into an ill-prepared WA, no matter how much his CHO Perjured himself in the Palmer trial by saying they could manage it...

[RossK]

Just remember, whilst Scomo has his faults, if he didnt' stand when Turnbull stepped down, we would have had Peter Dutton as PM - he had the numbers to beat Julie Bishop.

Think about that, Dutton as PM 😬 😲.

Edited September 2, 2021 by RossK