Covid 19

[skippydiesel]

11 hours ago, jackc said:

The reason we have so many problems is bureaucratic decisions gone wrong, Ruby Princess comes to mind as a starter.  The list continues…….

States and Federal Govts arguing with each other….. 

It seems to me that the Ruby Princess debacle, was the first sign (to the public at large) that the Federal Government was/had not been discharging its responsibilities for National boarder bio security.

 

In delegating this important role to the States , we had/have every State putting its own interpretation on what department would be responsible and what those responsibilities & powers might be - in short no he National approach that any sane logical person might expect.

 

So in the case of NSW/Ruby Princess the responsible agency was, sort of, the Department of Agriculture (go figure). I can only assume that because Agriculture tends towards monitoring animal/plant pests that someone in their wisdom that adding human pathogen surveillances/control was the way to go - they were  wrong! Agriculture dis not have/understand its role, powers (if any) or the chain of command (absent).

 

I assume that every other nation has its boarder security (customs/immigration/bio,financial/threat /law security) under the one organisation or at least its front line (the uniformed people at the boarder) team - not so Au

[skippydiesel]

51 minutes ago, kgwilson said:

And it is 100% politics that has got us into this mess. Our slow vaccination start was obviously known right from the start but Scomo chose to lie by big noting himself about the millions of doses he'd secured and everyone would be fully vaccinated by October. Then he said shipments had been delayed. Total BS he never even had a delivery schedule when making those big noting announcements.

 

NZ had an equally slow vaccination start but it was based on supply not orders and their top priority was all front line workers. There is a plan and they were at 100 to 102% of the plan from the start with all front line workers vaccinated before Delta arrived. 

 

We are at the bottom of the world with small populations and at the time were almost Covid free. The Vaccine producers were in the Covid ravaged places in the heavily populated Europe and N America. Obviously that is where the priority for vaccine delivery was going to be but don't let reality get in the way of self promotion. Then start changing advice almost daily when a side effect issue appears, blow it out of all proportion with the press sow the seeds of fear in sectors of the public & then try to remove all that. A lot of people used to call Trump a F***ing moron, now we have one.

 

Now that NSW & Victoria have admitted defeat on controlling the virus the Pollies have unsurprisingly changed tune again. Aren't we doing well with the vaccination numbers. Don't mention front line workers, exhausted paramedics, Emergency Room and ICU staff as well as inadequate facilities.

Agree KG - however I am not so sure about "admitted defeat on controlling the virus" - this seems to me to be a deliberate failure (could any Gov be so incompetent by accident) to implement timely and appropriate controls. The aim to open the nation to international movement ASAP, probably due to pressure from big business interests, pursuing the almighty dollar, who dont give a fig for the impact this policy may have on our people.

[Old Koreelah]

1 hour ago, turboplanner said:

Our political system is nothing like the US, with no need for the entrenched positions the US Parties take...

Thankfully that that is still true of Australian politics, but for how long?

Too much American madness is being imported. Our society is being riven by misinformation, much of it coming from the US. 

 

Scomo and his backers are obviously closely following the Republican playbook to secure future control of this country; the Murdoch empire is spreading its tentacles to ensure that.

The recent spreading of free Fox “News” to rural Queensland media is clearly aimed at ensuring those electorates remain firmly under the control of the LNP.

[turboplanner]

This is Australia's Covid-19 Supply Agreement and TGA approval timeline.

The two setbacks were:

 

1.  Diversion of 2.5 milion Pfizer doses to Europe where they were desperately needed. (offset so far by a a current deal with Poland shown below)

 

2. The unfortunate failure of the University of Queensland/CSL Geelong 51 million doses which had an impact on the delivery schedule.

 

Total cost of the Agreements - $8 billion.

 

On top of this:

1. Australia is spending $350 million supporting vaccine research and development.

2.Australia has supplied vaccines to Papua New Guinea and Pacific Islands.

 

Source: www.health.gov.au

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by turboplanner

[jackc]

They better come up with a decent plan for people to show they are vaccinated,

certificates on smart phones?  No, many old people don’t have smart phones.

On your MyGov account? I don’t have one of them.

We should have a drivers licence type card OR, reissue updated medicare card with vaccination status completed, on the back etc.

A  piece of paper is a waste of time.

This whole thing has been a shambles from the start…….

[turboplanner]

5 minutes ago, jackc said:

They better come up with a decent plan for people to show they are vaccinated,

certificates on smart phones?  No, many old people don’t have smart phones.

On your MyGov account? I don’t have one of them.

We should have a drivers licence type card OR, reissue updated medicare card with vaccination status completed, on the back etc.

A  piece of paper is a waste of time.

This whole thing has been a shambles from the start…….

For the few who can't cope with technology there are special arrangements being advised regularly by the State Health Departments the go-to places for Covid or other health issues.

[skippydiesel]

27 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

For the few who can't cope with technology there are special arrangements being advised regularly by the State Health Departments the go-to places for Covid or other health issues.

Not cant cope - just dont want to go there and have some expensive  bulky tool, forever in my hand/pocket - simple mobile phone is more than enough for me..

[turboplanner]

12 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Not cant cope - just dont want to go there and have some expensive  bulky tool, forever in my hand/pocket - simple mobile phone is more than enough for me..

You mean?:

1. Make sure $30.00 phone is turned on.

2.Go to app

3. Press the field 

[skippydiesel]

Just now, turboplanner said:

You mean?:

1. Make sure $30.00 phone is turned on.

2.Go to app

3. Press the field 

You assume $30 phone has app.

 

 Even if it does wont go there simply because my phone is a phone, I have no intention of using it far anything else.

 

I dont text either (except under pressure) in my life a phone is for verbal comms - texting is rude

[turboplanner]

2 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

You assume $30 phone has app.

 

 Even if it does wont go there simply because my phone is a phone, I have no intention of using it far anything else.

 

I dont text either (except under pressure) in my life a phone is for verbal comms - texting is rude

How do you log in to any shop/facility QR Code?

[jackc]

3 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

How do you log in to any shop/facility QR Code?

I have an old iPhone 4, just got a new battery put in.  I do written log in, IF available.

No log in sheet?   They don’t care, then neither do I……

[jackc]

58 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

For the few who can't cope with technology there are special arrangements being advised regularly by the State Health Departments the go-to places for Covid or other health issues.

It’s not a case of not coping, its what the Govt should do as part of the overall scheme in this vaccination program.  IF the Govt cant do it’s bit properly, then don’t give people a hard time over not being vaccinated. 

[jackc]

20 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

You mean?:

1. Make sure $30.00 phone is turned on.

2.Go to app

3. Press the field 

Turbs, that is a pretty lousy shot.  Why not come up with an idea to contribute to a possible solution?  I did…….

[turboplanner]

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

I have an old iPhone 4, just got a new battery put in.  I do written log in, IF available.

No log in sheet?   They don’t care, then neither do I……

Not sure about Queensland but in Victoria now the QR login is as quick as I posted. No need to enter anything, and because we've had a couple of lockdowns and use the new software just about every building, parkbench or anything nailed down has a QR code. So if you walk into a shop and unbeknown to you the person before you was infected and infected the person at the counter, and you walk out infected, go to three other shops, fill up with fuel, then head for home, when the first infected person shows positive in a test the software instantly advises you and every facility you've visited and flags the shop Tier 1 or 2 in the Media, so you don't have to remember where you've been, you don't have to do anything except take a test, and they'll have caught you early enough that the infection shouldn't be too serious. The data you're giving through the QRCode only goes to the software on a continuous wash off basis, so only the few days data important for tracking is there. Thhis system allows quite big breakouts to be identified, a ring put around them and usually by a cople of weeks it's back to normal.

[turboplanner]

3 minutes ago, jackc said:

Turbs, that is a pretty lousy shot.  Why not come up with an idea to contribute to a possible solution?  I did…….

That is the solution for about 98% of the population. DHHS have solutions for the other 2% operating now. No need to reinvent the wheel.

[Flightrite]

The QR code system reminds me of the bullshit Covid App the fools insisted everyone have, that died & you never hear of that anymore, just another stuff up by our inept Govt! I'm with you jackc I use the sheet provided most times as my writing won't always be too legible (is to me!)

[skippydiesel]

24 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

How do you log in to any shop/facility QR Code?

I dont "log in"

 

I write my name, contact details, time in - simples!

 

If paper CV entry form not in evidence - I dont do anything

[turboplanner]

1 minute ago, Flightrite said:

The QR code system reminds me of the bullshit Covid App the fools insisted everyone have, that died & you never hear of that anymore, just another stuff up by our inept Govt! I'm with you jackc I use the sheet provided most times as my writing won't always be too legible (is to me!)

Well you're in Victoria so it's all electronic unless shops are keeping a few of the old forms.

[turboplanner]

1 minute ago, skippydiesel said:

I dont "log in"

 

I write my name, contact details, time in - simples!

 

If paper CV entry form not in evidence - I dont do anything

I think NSW are in the process of picking up the Vic software system - much quicker and easier and you won't be sitting on the phone for an hour if there is a positive. In some cases you won't even know about it if you aren't at risk.

[jackc]

54 minutes ago, Flightrite said:

The QR code system reminds me of the bullshit Covid App the fools insisted everyone have, that died & you never hear of that anymore, just another stuff up by our inept Govt! I'm with you jackc I use the sheet provided most times as my writing won't always be too legible (is to me!)

The Govt spent 8 million dollars on a contact tracing app that never worked properly…….the could not run a lemonade stand at a primary school fete.

[jackc]

49 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

I think NSW are in the process of picking up the Vic software system - much quicker and easier and you won't be sitting on the phone for an hour if there is a positive. In some cases you won't even know about it if you aren't at risk.

No one works together, every state has a different solution for a Federal problem.

I hope we never have a War, we will lose in 10 minutes from the start…..because we have not gone through a 3 month approval process, for a strategy that could never work……

[octave]

1 hour ago, jackc said:

No log in sheet?   They don’t care, then neither do I……

 

This makes it sound like you believe the only beneficiary of checking in is the government.  I check in because if the location I have been in turns out to be an exposure site I want to know about it so I can receive timely medical attention but even more importantly so I don't inadvertently infect a loved one or for that matter a stranger.   

[turboplanner]

34 minutes ago, jackc said:

No one works together, every state has a different solution for a Federal problem.

I hope we never have a War, we will lose in 10 minutes from the start…..because we have not gone through a 3 month approval process, for a strategy that could never work……

That answer was for someone in NSW, which like Victoria has a huge load of positive cases and links to process to stay ahead of the Delta strain.

 

Queensland may well pick up the same software if there is a breakout, and it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't talking to the supplier right now because  it means the difference between having to request hundreds of Defence troops vs reading the spread from the tracers' desks in order to trace the rate and direction of spread and reach the people directly involved rather than half the State.

 

It has nothing whatsoever to do with States solving a Federal problem, or a war or for that matter a 3 month approval process.

 

[jackc]

29 minutes ago, octave said:

 

This makes it sound like you believe the only beneficiary of checking in is the government.  I check in because if the location I have been in turns out to be an exposure site I want to know about it so I can receive timely medical attention but even more importantly so I don't inadvertently infect a loved one or for that matter a stranger.   

It’s not my responsibility to pick up the pieces for a broken system,  I can’t fix the world……I have given up writing to politicians that don’t care.

 

[jackc]

4 minutes ago, turboplanner said:

That answer was for someone in NSW, which like Victoria has a huge load of positive cases and links to process to stay ahead of the Delta strain.

 

Queensland may well pick up the same software if there is a breakout, and it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't talking to the supplier right now because  it means the difference between having to request hundreds of Defence troops vs reading the spread from the tracers' desks in order to trace the rate and direction of spread and reach the people directly involved rather than half the State.

 

It has nothing whatsoever to do with States solving a Federal problem, or a war or for that matter a 3 month approval process.

 

The states won’t cooperate, one of them wants to take ScoMo to the High Court.

What a mess,  AND I have run out of f….s to give.  Turbs, you better go fix the broken system, I wish you luck……you will have more success in tow starting a 747, made out of concrete.