Landing without permission

[kgwilson]

3 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

That might be the worst spot, Nev.

I take off ever a paddock where black cattle are regularly hand-fed.
Their hooves have made the surface rough and if I got down safely they’re all likely to crowd around my plane for a rub while I’m away getting the carrier…

My second Hang Glider was a Pacific Kites Lancer 1 and it was 30th of January 1977. I trudged 900 feet up the Kaimai ranges near the Western rail tunnel portal (Kiwis will know where this is) with some mates and took off. It was a 5 minute flight to the bottom. I landed in a paddock that had a heap of cows in it. I unhooked & was getting out of my harness when they all started coming over to check out what was now in their paddock. As they got closer I realised the were not cows & they were not steers, they were all young bulls. They started licking the glider & I chucked the harness over the fence closely followed by me. My logbook entry for the landing is (just looked it up) "2 scary 360s, landed in a paddock full of bulls. Kite covered in genuine bullshit." Once they lost interest I got back over the fence, de-rigged and got out of there.

[Marty_d]

I learnt to hang glide in Western Vic - think it was near Beaufort, about 26 years ago.  My instructor was a real character.  He'd been in some competitions in Europe and told us about landing in a field in the Netherlands, which was filled with tall dark green plants.  It was a fortunate choice, as he found out later - there were quite a few buds from these plants in the back of his harness bag where it was unzipped for landing!

[bull]

On 02/09/2021 at 2:00 PM, KRviator said:

In NSW, if it's PPR, you know it's PPR and still land anyway, you can be detained under s.100 if the Law Enforcement Powers & Responsibilities Act (otherwise known as a "Citizens arrest") and turned over to the Rozzers. IF you resist such an arrest, you can legitimately be found to have resisted arrest, or guilty of common assault and in even more strife - remember, if they are lawfully arresting you for trespassing, it is a lawful arrest, (so long as they don't assault you, delay delivering you to the Rozzers, etc)

In a genuine emergency, the owner would be hard-pressed to make that stick, but needing to take a wizz because you didn't plan your stops well enough, or had too much to drink before takeoff is not really an emergency.

 

In NSW, you would be in breach of s.4 of the Inclosed Lands Act 1901, and possibly also S.4B being aggravated unlawful entry on inclosed lands if it could be argued the landing of a plane without permission presented a serious risk to the safety of those on that land, such as mowing, quad bike riding, etc - and remember, if you land, the onus is on you to prove you are allowed to be there, not the other way around.

That bloody rattle made me do a precautionary, was just a loose bracket all fixed now ,,better to be safe then sorry....

[KRviator]

True, there's always more than one way to remove the dermis from a feline - but remember - if old mate knows his stuff and wants to be a prick, he can still arrest you and hand you over to the Rozzers and your afternoon has just gone to hell. All that that 'defence' would mean is you'd likely be found "not guilty" of breaking the law, it doesn't negate the arrest process.

 

That being said, what's the chance of it actually happening? Probably between "never" and "stuff-all" unless you have the sort of luck I seem to...😄

[bull]

39 minutes ago, KRviator said:

True, there's always more than one way to remove the dermis from a feline - but remember - if old mate knows his stuff and wants to be a prick, he can still arrest you and hand you over to the Rozzers and your afternoon has just gone to hell. All that that 'defence' would mean is you'd likely be found "not guilty" of breaking the law, it doesn't negate the arrest process.

 

That being said, what's the chance of it actually happening? Probably between "never" and "stuff-all" unless you have the sort of luck I seem to...😄

True more then likely the old mate will turn up with a ute full of tools and spare fuel and say you right mate?

 

[facthunter]

I've had to chase sheep of a strip to take off but wouldn't consider landing in a paddock with large animals you will inevitably spook them and have a good chance of colliding with one.. I don't like to trust to luck. The better your decisions the luckier you get. Any how when it comes to the crunch,  the plane comes second.  There are plenty of bad outcomes form trying to save a plane  first. Nev

[spacesailor]

SO

Choose either  ' cattle or Corn ' corn being softer on looks only.

spaesailor

[aro]

Incredible to see the flexibility of political views here.

 

Pilots tend to be right-leaning, in favor of lower taxation, "freedom", capitalism etc.

 

Until you talk about places to take off and land from. Then they are taken over by socialist/communist tendencies: society should provide airports, landing fees are outrageous, the taxpayer should pay for it all, and the whole concept of private property should be abolished.

[Bruce Tuncks]

That describes me Aro. But as a farmer, I can say that anybody is welcome to land here if they need to.  Bugger though, there are some semi-hidden hazards in a lot of our paddocks. Like stump-holes and branches.

And please don't you guys pick on turbs. He has made many very valuable observations and pricked many a thought bubble which has got out of hand. I find his postings, which I sometimes would like to disagree with, to be good reading.

 

 

[jackc]

17 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

That describes me Aro. But as a farmer, I can say that anybody is welcome to land here if they need to.  Bugger though, there are some semi-hidden hazards in a lot of our paddocks. Like stump-holes and branches.

And please don't you guys pick on turbs. He has made many very valuable observations and pricked many a thought bubble which has got out of hand. I find his postings, which I sometimes would like to disagree with, to be good reading.

 

 

I will go so far as to INVITE people to my airstrip, setting up a BBQ area, camp, toilet facilities for visitors.  Building is in progress, off grid power etc.

I try my best to contribute to this forum, whilst I am not the brightest light in the park when it comes to Aviation. IF people want to drop steaming turds on me……expect me to fight back. 

 

[Old Koreelah]

17 minutes ago, jackc said:

I will go so far as to INVITE people to my airstrip, setting up a BBQ area, camp, toilet facilities for visitors.  Building is in progress, off grid power etc.

When this plurry pandemic is finished with us I might take you up on that, Jackc! Like many on here, I can’t wait to be able to travel again.

17 minutes ago, jackc said:

I try my best to contribute to this forum, whilst I am not the brightest light in the park when it comes to Aviation. 

Mate, I suspect your light is being hid under a bushel (or did I just mangle that old saying?)

If you have got this far in life you’re obviously brighter than many who make more noise!

[prwood]

18 hours ago, kgwilson said:

My second Hang Glider was a Pacific Kites Lancer 1 and it was 30th of January 1977. I trudged 900 feet up the Kaimai ranges near the Western rail tunnel portal (Kiwis will know where this is) with some mates and took off. It was a 5 minute flight to the bottom. I landed in a paddock that had a heap of cows in it. I unhooked & was getting out of my harness when they all started coming over to check out what was now in their paddock. As they got closer I realised the were not cows & they were not steers, they were all young bulls. They started licking the glider & I chucked the harness over the fence closely followed by me. My logbook entry for the landing is (just looked it up) "2 scary 360s, landed in a paddock full of bulls. Kite covered in genuine bullshit." Once they lost interest I got back over the fence, de-rigged and got out of there.

Landed in a pugged out cattle paddock once, never again. Nearly rattled every tooth out of my mouth!!

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by prwood

[aro]

49 minutes ago, Bruce Tuncks said:

I can say that anybody is welcome to land here if they need to.

 

26 minutes ago, jackc said:

I will go so far as to INVITE people to my airstrip

 

That is what would be considered permission. No-one is saying you can't land on private property. Just that if someone says Prior Permission Required, you need to ask for permission. It doesn't matter whether you would give or require permission on your own land.

 

It doesn't seem like a difficult concept.

 

 

[bull]

7 hours ago, facthunter said:

I've had to chase sheep of a strip to take off but wouldn't consider landing in a paddock with large animals you will inevitably spook them and have a good chance of colliding with one.. I don't like to trust to luck. The better your decisions the luckier you get. Any how when it comes to the crunch,  the plane comes second.  There are plenty of bad outcomes form trying to save a plane  first. Nev

Nev i think he is talking about farm dedicated airstrips, maybe 

 

[Marty_d]

9 hours ago, facthunter said:

I've had to chase sheep of a strip to take off but wouldn't consider landing in a paddock with large animals you will inevitably spook them and have a good chance of colliding with one.. I don't like to trust to luck. The better your decisions the luckier you get. Any how when it comes to the crunch,  the plane comes second.  There are plenty of bad outcomes form trying to save a plane  first. Nev

My 172 instructor told me not to worry about sheep in a forced landing situation - he said they'd either get out of the way or slow me down!

[onetrack]

Another thing to be aware of in paddock, is low areas that become waterlogged in Winter, and where tractors and plant get bogged, and then get pulled out - leaving massive ruts. These ruts are often not filled in.

 

Knew a farmer bloke who loved barrelling around his large W.A. wheatbelt farm at speed on his big 600cc Honda trail bike.

 

All went well until the day he hit a couple of metre-deep ruts (hidden by long rye grass) at 110 kmh - where they'd bogged the Steiger 4WD tractor, the year before.

It was Summer, and the ground was like concrete - including the ruts.

 

He came off and broke both ankles and a leg, and he ended up using a walking stick in his late 50's. 

[pmccarthy]

I landed on a big wide sealed runway today, 35 at Maryborough Vic, and a big mob of Roos scattered. I hadn't seen them from the circuit.

[jackc]

4 hours ago, Old Koreelah said:

When this plurry pandemic is finished with us I might take you up on that, Jackc! Like many on here, I can’t wait to be able to travel again.

Mate, I suspect your light is being hid under a bushel (or did I just mangle that old saying?)

If you have got this far in life you’re obviously brighter than many who make more noise!

I believe that there will be more activity between private airstrips for fly-ins, trips etc, in the future. Larger airports will be subject to more restrictions and development not in the support of Aviation.

The only way to possibly hold our standing in these places is to be part of a volunteer search and rescue organisation.  Be part of this organisation?

 

https://www.govserv.org/AU/Bankstown/461671553874811/Australian-Civil-Air-Patrol---AusCAP

 

Aviators hopefully will be seen to be contributors to the community. in possible times of need.

 

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

39 minutes ago, jackc said:

I believe that there will be more activity between private airstrips for fly-ins, trips etc, in the future. Larger airports will be subject to more restrictions and development not in the support of Aviation.

The only way to possibly hold our standing in these places is to be part of a volunteer search and rescue organisation.  Be part of this organisation?

 

https://www.govserv.org/AU/Bankstown/461671553874811/Australian-Civil-Air-Patrol---AusCAP

 

Aviators hopefully will be seen to be contributors to the community. in possible times of need.

I guess I’m already a member. AFAIK, the CAP is still affiliated with the NSW VRA, if which I’ve been a member for forty years (just got home from a meeting, in fact).

We have trained with Namoi Air Patrol, which sure was an eye-opener.
Bluddy hard work searching from the air.