ASIC or AVID?

[Roundsounds]

I’m looking to apply for an ASIC renewal, but note you need to demonstrate an operational need to hold one. As the holder of a pilot licence you should be operating on a regular basis from a security controlled airport. I see the last edition of Sport Pilot an article mentioned there’s going to be closer scrutiny around ASICs. Given I’m not regularly operating from a security controlled aerodrome I was considering an AVID. Has anyone else tried an AVID in lieu of an ASIC and arranging for the ARO to escort them on the occasions they fly into an aerodrome requiring an ASIC? 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Roundsounds

[Garfly]

Does this suggest that pilots who occasionally operate into security controlled airports will be banned from doing so ... or, that they will be able to do so without an ASIC?

Or that they will need an AVID instead?

[KRviator]

  On 13/04/2022 at 2:40 AM, Roundsounds said:

Has anyone else tried an AVID in lieu of an ASIC and arranging for the ARO to escort them on the occasions they fly into an aerodrome requiring an ASIC? 

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Just be aware that some council's (and presumably other airport operators too) will charge you for the pleasure of having their already-on-the-clock ARO escort you from your Cub to the gate & back again. Dubbo for example is $140/hour or $260/hour if outside business hours. Broken Hill is $124/247 / hour, Albury is $115 day or night. 

I wouldn't put it past them to try the "billed in hourly blocks" rubbish too, so your 60 second "escort" is billed for 60 minutes! 

[Thruster88]

  On 14/04/2022 at 1:55 AM, Garfly said:

Does this suggest that pilots who occasionally operate into security controlled airports will be banned from doing so ... or, that they will be able to do so without an ASIC?

Or that they will need an AVID instead?

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A CASA license holder has to have at least an AVID, they last 5 years. Not sure if this applies to RAAus pilots as well.  

[skippydiesel]

  On 14/04/2022 at 2:15 AM, Thruster88 said:

A CASA license holder has to have at least an AVID, they last 5 years. Not sure if this applies to RAAus pilots as well.  

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Hi Thruster - please show how you arrived at the statement "A CASA license holder has to have at least an AVID," - I have held a PPL since 1990  & an RAA Certificate since 2010 and no one has informed me that I require an ASIC of any description.

[Thruster88]

  On 14/04/2022 at 2:20 AM, skippydiesel said:

Hi Thruster - please show how you arrived at the statement "A CASA license holder has to have at least an AVID," - I have held a PPL since 1990  & an RAA Certificate since 2010 and no one has informed me that I require an ASIC of any description.

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https://www.casa.gov.au/operations-safety-and-travel/aviation-safety-and-security-pilots/security-requirements-pilots

[KRviator]

  On 14/04/2022 at 2:15 AM, Thruster88 said:

A CASA license holder has to have at least an AVID, they last 5 years. Not sure if this applies to RAAus pilots as well.  

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That's for the initial issue of a licence. You do not have to keep your ASIC or AVID current, IIRC.

But nonetheless, I've never held an AVID and my ASIC has long since expired.

[Garfly]

 

And yet, that document linked to by Thruster opens with:  (so what gives?)

 

The Department of Home Affairs is Australia's security regulator for aviation. They also administer the Aviation Transport Security Regulations.

Under these regulations, all current pilots must have an aviation security status check. You will also need an aviation security status check if you're applying for a flight crew licence.

To get one of these checks you will need to apply for either an:

• Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC)
• Aviation Identification (AVID).

[KRviator]

But when you actually look at the regulations, I can find no mention of an AVID...And the ASIC requirement is all geared towards security controlled airports, etc as you would expect. Probably another example of what CAsA thinks the rules say, and what they actually say...

[Garfly]

  On 13/04/2022 at 2:40 AM, Roundsounds said:

I’m looking to apply for an ASIC renewal, but note you need to demonstrate an operational need to hold one. As the holder of a pilot licence you should be operating on a regular basis from a security controlled airport.

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But I'm still wondering about the implications of that (new?) requirement that Roundsounds mentions ('should be operating on a regular basis from a security controlled airport').

Where, exactly, does that leave the rest?  (AVIDs and the walk of shame?  ;- )

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Garfly

[Yenn]

As usual the government cannot write legislation in a form that can be understood. They state that a pilot must have a security check. OK that entails either an AVID or ASIC. They do not state that it has to be current. It could read that you get either ASIC or AVID and when it runs out you just ignore it.

They obviously don't do any checking because one of the things you have to tell them is if you are convicted of a crime when you hold an ASIC. I would have thought that for the system to work they ought to monitor the court records and also police records. Can youn imagine a terrorist with an ASIC would tell the powers that be if he was convicted of a crime. I Can't.

We keep hearing lot of people saying how useless these cards are and publishing in flying magazines, but nobody ever comes up with a way of getting some sanity into the system.

The card came about because of the terrorist attacks in the USA on Sept 11, but the USA never brought in anything similar. It was just a trick to make the government look as if they were doing something and of course it is a nice little earner.

[PapaFox]

Yes, the aviation security status check must be current as per Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005, section 6.55

[KRviator]

  On 14/04/2022 at 6:26 AM, PapaFox said:

Yes, the aviation security status check must be current as per Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005, section 6.55

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Because why use the term ASIC or AVID or even "valid" when "security designated authorisation" and "aviation security status check"  will do? Fuck me. 

PF wins the choccy frog though, there's the reference I couldn't find. Well done. 

[skippydiesel]

  On 14/04/2022 at 6:24 AM, Yenn said:

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We keep hearing lot of people saying how useless these cards are and publishing in flying magazines, but nobody ever comes up with a way of getting some sanity into the system.

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Yenn ; I am (I assume you are) a financial member of RAA - its their job to represent us (amongst other reason) - are they doing it (in this case)? or are they just prompting this very unpopular system through badly constructed propaganda articles in Sport Pilot???