ASIC AGAIN!!!

[Area-51]

Everybody knows terrorists are dressed in gym wear and mostly active between 08:15-09:15 and 14:30-16:00 Mon-Fri, and all day Sunday... The chances of an SUV hurtling through a Part139 perimeter barrier are slim though cannot be ruled out as impossible. If you see an SUV acting strangely do not engage with the vehicle controller; report it to authorities immediately and keep a vigilant yet safe distance at all times. Be prepared to run without warning.

[Ian]

The only way to change this is to

• Effectively lobby an MP. Offer to fly one to and from parliment to save on their travel time. At least write to them so they're aware of the issue.
• Get elected. Fly over towns with a big arsed sign trailing out behind.

Moaning on a forum will achieve very little.

 

ps I think that the ASIC card is required to do the navigation exercises of the PPL

[skippydiesel]

10 hours ago, Ian said:

The only way to change this is to

• Effectively lobby an MP. Offer to fly one to and from parliment to save on their travel time. At least write to them so they're aware of the issue.
• Get elected. Fly over towns with a big arsed sign trailing out behind.

Moaning on a forum will achieve very little.

 

ps I think that the ASIC card is required to do the navigation exercises of the PPL

There are rare examples of individual action being recognised/acted on by the authorities. Unfortunatly these are the exception rather than the rule. Often such success is accompanied by media taking up the story and a grandstanding politician looking for votes.

Collective action has always been the most persuasive/successful strategy.

Many (most?) of us belong to aviation organisations (collectives) - A major function of such organisations, is to represent the opinions of its members.  With regard to ASIC  they would seem to be "missing in action".

The reality is we (Australians ) are apathetic when it comes to pressuring our rulers to change.

 

"ASIC card is required to do the navigation exercises of the PPL"

 

You may be correct - When I did my PPL, so many years ago, there was a solo entry to complex air space/environment. In my case a flight to Canberra.  These days Canberra would be considered a Security Controlled Airport. Should the student wish/need to exit his aircraft, after landing, they would be required to display an ASIC. I Dont know if there is a requirement to park/exit the aircraft.😈

 

[Freizeitpilot]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-06/avalon-airport-man-firearm-incident/105019482

 

But, was he displaying an ASIC ? Bad guys don’t have ASICs, (apparently).

 

Sadly, this will just reinforce the view that you can never have enough security around airports, any airport, to the average Joe.

 

 

[onetrack]

I'm trying to figure out how this bloke evaded airline/airport security to get to the aircraft door with a shotgun and knives?

 

It appears he dressed up as an airport worker/tradie and he must have cut the fence somewhere, and walked or sprinted across the tarmac to reach the aircraft door? 

[Marty_d]

More on the story. Bloody great job by the shearer.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-06/avalon-airport-man-firearm-incident/105019482

[skippydiesel]

Did ASIC work??????????🤣😈

[facthunter]

Maybe not, but this acts against it being removed.  Nev

[Freizeitpilot]

57 minutes ago, skippydiesel said:

Did ASIC work??????????🤣😈

Yeah -  the pilot was displaying one when he escorted the intruder into the divvy van.

[facthunter]

I'll tell you a good one and true. A pilot I knew in TAA had a daughter flying in Ansett. They swapped ID cards for a MONTH and no one noticed.  Nev

[facthunter]

Forgot to mention the daughter was a flight attendant, who (fortunately for HER)  looked nothing like her father She had Hair and.. stuff that girls have. Nev

[turboplanner]

1 hour ago, skippydiesel said:

Did ASIC work??????????🤣😈

Would you expect it to be relevant to a person who broke through the "Security" fence and walked up to the airctraft with a loaded shotgun? Call me dumb.n, but I'd be looking at beefing up the security fence.

This was not a terrorist ariving to take flying lessons.

[skippydiesel]

The PRACTICAL TAKEAWAY message here is  -

 

Avalon is a busy domestic airfield and ASIC did nothing to prevent the boarding of an aircraft, by a disturbed rank amater (not a trained "terrorist" with organisational backing). 

If it is so easy to circumvent ASIC regulations/implementation, in this example,  its application in (often extremely) low activity domestic airports, is a conclusive demonstration that it is complete without justification. 

 

Further;

• The fact that passengers & crew (where were the ground staff?) appropriately tackled the issue, is the best defence now,  and has been ever since RPT services were introduced - no need for ASIC.
• ASIC is, always has been "window dressing" - gives some ,a false sense of security and is an insult to Australian private pilots, wishing to access low frequency RPT airports across the country.
• "I'd be looking at beefing up the security fence".  Are you out of your mind ? No fence has stopped a determined entrant EVER! At best, a fence slows the entry of a bad person - may if alarmed alert authorities a bit quicker.
• As pointed out numerous times  - An act of bastardry can be initiated and delivered from outside the airport boundary - no fence, no guards (if they even exist), no flight training (your living in the past with this one), no invulnerable ASIC , can stop such an attack, good intelligence may.😈

[facthunter]

There must be thing's of a higher priority of concern to our movement now. Now is not the time to push your argument. You are flogging the proverbial "dead Horse". How many posts have been on this subject? Let's move on.  Nev

[Deano747]

The actual fact is that the person was questioned because he was not displaying an ASIC.

ASIC seemed to have worked - probably to the horror of some that decry it's effectiveness ............

 

[facthunter]

 I experienced a "Bomb Scare " flying back from Port Moresby.  The PAX had no idea but believe Me it's not fun.  None of us want "todays world". It's been forced upon us by changed circumstances. The BEST days are over,  Work with what you have  while you have at least something. Input to all requests. You're a minority IN a minority. Nev

[skippydiesel]

It is beyond belief that any rational person can defend ASIC, as it has been applied to small regional RPT airports. 

 

ESPECIALLY  after this excellent demonstration, in a busy main hub (assume security to be more vigilant) as to its complete waste of time.

 

Those who  think that any erosion of our civil liberties, however small, is acceptable, when there is clearly no benefit , to individuals or the greater public, are demonstrating a level of apathy bordering on the comatose. It is with such small erosions, receiving no protest, that embolden authorities to greater loss of liberty.

 

I have first hand experince of what terrorism can deliver and what ineffectual measures the authorities can come up with, often to the detriment of the law abiding population.

With absolute certainty, I can tell you that the tokenim that is ASIC, will never be effective in preventing a determined attack on Civil Aviation period.  That it gives the traveling public, at large airports, the illusion of effective security, may be a good thing. In imposition, on private pilots, achieves no posative practical outcome. WAKE UP!!!!  😈

[Deano747]

Mate - give it rest. The absence of an ASIC worked as intended. Sorry ........

[Thruster88]

6 hours ago, Deano747 said:

The actual fact is that the person was questioned because he was not displaying an ASIC.

ASIC seemed to have worked - probably to the horror of some that decry it's effectiveness ............

 

Wouldn't it have been a case of no boarding pass? Are tradies expected to have an asic, don't think so

[facthunter]

People working at Aerodromes  for a short term Purpose are allowed  by arrangement.  They are also required to be specific. worksite savvy. and show proof if required. Yes you do have a boarding pass and seat number  IF you present in the normal way. Is it Tarmac Loading at Avalon?  Anyone swanning across the   AIRSIDE would attract attention .  Nev

Edited Friday at 07:50 AM by facthunter

[Deano747]

3 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

Wouldn't it have been a case of no boarding pass? Are tradies expected to have an asic, don't think so

No airline employee is going to let anyone on as a passenger with a very obvious tool belt full of sharp pointy things. Tradie is never getting that stuff in the cabin.

 

Only a LAME working for the airline with an appropriate security pass visible is going to be permitted on board with tools to fix something, but never allowed to remain unsupervised even with the pass, or permitted to stay until doors close.

 

Boarding pass has been bandied about by the media that really know very little about aviation nor security .............though I did hear my old colleague mutter boarding pass on National TV. (suspect he has been hanging around the media too much) 

[skippydiesel]

4 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

Wouldn't it have been a case of no boarding pass? Are tradies expected to have an asic, don't think so

So private pilots have to have an ASIC to use a Security Controlled Airfield and a tradie (of unknown political /fundamental persuasion) doesn't and this is considered to be a logical security policy - it's a sick joke!

 

10 hours ago, Deano747 said:

The actual fact is that the person was questioned because he was not displaying an ASIC.

ASIC seemed to have worked - probably to the horror of some that decry it's effectiveness ............

 

How is it you did not notice, in the video footage, he actually got inside the aircraft, with a firearm.

Then claiming to have bombs on his person.

By sheer chance the bombs turned out to be fake .

By further chance, a brave passenger tackled the disturbed young man, supported by a crew member (PIC?).

ASIC was nowhere to be seen. FAILED on every account.

The aim of security to to PREVENT access,  not ask questions after access has been achieved. FAILED!

IF, as could so easily have happened, the gun had been fired, the bombs not fake, people killed/injured/aircraft destroyed, what would you have to say about  your precious ASIC?

 

The very fact that: 

• This happened at a large/ busy airport, 
• That should have had many layers of active security
• The offender is a rank amature, not a trained terrorist.
• Was so easily achieved.

Is testament to the wrong thinking by our security expert/providers.

 

Private pilots, as  a group, are possibly the most unlikly perpetrators of a terrorist act - they have far too much invested in training cost and aircraft purchase/operating to be involved in a terrorist act.

 

That a terrorist would go to the expense, time & effort, to train as a private pilot, for the purpose of committing a suicide attack, on a small RPT airfield, somewhere in the Australian bush, is just not credible. He can go down to a hobby store/internet and purchase a drone, that even without explosives, could conceivably bring down an airliner, all from the safety/anonymity of somewhere outside the Security fence - not even a fake ASIC required.

 

The failure of the US security services to apprehend the "trainee pilot/terrorists" before  Sept 11, has no logical relationship to Australian private pilots, even more so after the fact - no self respecting terrorist would attempt the same successful scenario twice, knowing the level of suspicion that foreign applicants for flight training would attract.😈

Edited Friday at 10:55 AM by skippydiesel

[skippydiesel]

"No airline employee is going to let anyone on as a passenger with a very obvious tool belt full of sharp pointy things. Tradie is never getting that stuff in the cabin."

 

He got into the cabine - nuff said!😈

[spacesailor]

Talking of working on ' transport ' ready to roll !.

My brother had to do some work on a " war ship " while still hard at it ,the ship had to do an

' emergency ' departure. 

He was treated like royalty,  dining in the officers mess for over a week .

Mum was worried sick, not knowing were he was , untill the police brought a message to her .

Passed away at 56 years & only one filling in his teeth .

spacesailor

[KRviator]

3 hours ago, Deano747 said:

Mate - give it rest. The absence of an ASIC worked as intended. Sorry ........

An ASIC - or lack thereof - is going to do sweet FA to stop the next attack. It might stop singular nutjobs, but a determined attack in Oz? Not in a snowballs chance. And if there's no assurance it'll stop anything, then it's a WOFTAM.

There's any number of ways dedicated whack-jobs or religious zealots could harm the population. Two blokes could walk onto a Sydney or Melbourne train at either end towing two big-arse suitcases of not-so-nice-stuff and you've got 1000 casualties when it goes BANG! underground. No security. No sniffer dogs. No boarding passes or identity checks. They ain't gonna bother getting an ASIC, or not getting an ASIC just to fly some shitbox 172 into Parliament House. That ship has sailed, but as is typical in Australia, we're about 20 years behind. 40 years for the Democratic People's Republic of McGowanstan.