ASIC AGAIN!!!

[Arron25]

15 hours ago, Thruster88 said:

Wouldn't it have been a case of no boarding pass? Are tradies expected to have an asic, don't think so

Yes... All workers staff or contractor have to have an ASIC Or be accompanied by an ASIC holder.. We are not allowed Airside without

[aro]

18 hours ago, Deano747 said:

Mate - give it rest. The absence of an ASIC worked as intended. Sorry ........

I have an ASIC, it doesn't mean I can walk up to a Jetstar aircraft, flash the ASIC and get on. He didn't have a boarding pass or company credentials - that was what stopped him, not the ASIC.

 

The ASIC is supposed to stop unauthorized people from accessing the secure area. It obviously failed spectacularly here. Even then it only works if someone is denied the ASIC - there's no evidence that an ASIC would have been rejected if he had applied.

 

Claiming this is an ASIC success is desperation/delusion.

[BurnieM]

Note the first person to stop him was a passenger who was not aware of what an ASIC was but could definitely identify a shotgun.

 

Any id card is only a very small part of a security system with the major failures here being;

- lack of regular fence patrols and

- lack of security patrols on the apron

 

While we keep pretending that all you need is an expensive id card and occassional council rangers this will continue to happen.

 

[skippydiesel]

"While we keep pretending that all you need is an expensive id card and occassional council rangers this will continue to happen."

 

Quite possibly but highly unlikly at rural RPT airports.

 

Terrorist/nut jobs, seek infamy/attention of the media (make a statement) want crowds, "shock & awe"- some drunken youth, wondering onto the airfield at,  say Moree, NSW, with or without a weapon may or may not be challenged/arrested and even if, local media might have a few lines in the weekly paper, hardly infamy. Given the few passengers, the local knowledge of ground staff, the chances of such an occurrence succeeding is negligible, as it always has been, long befor ASIC.

 

For me it's not the expense of obtaining an ASIC, its combination of serving no useful purpose and the erosion of my right , as a pilot, to access airports that may be closer to my destination or on route, again for no demonstrable security gain and despite their being no evidence to support its continuance, its persistence 😈.

[facthunter]

Skip, you qualify as  an OCPD person.   Nev

[Area-51]

All registered Tradies will now require a TSIC and display the TSIC while on site, and present their TSIC when purchasing trade related supplies from a wholesaler or asked by a TSIC inspector. Non registered Tradies will not require a TSIC so long as they are being escorted by a registered Tradie displaying a current TSIC... Non registered Tradies are not permitted to apply for a TSIC; heavy penalties may apply for non-compliance of TSIC compliance.

[onetrack]

Despite Skippys feral hatred of the ASIC card, you have to admit it worked in this case. The offender tried to get aboard the flight, claiming that he was there to do maintenance, but he couldn't present an ASIC card, when the flight attendant asked to see it. No doubt the attendant realised pretty quickly he was no LAME.

 

At that refusal, he got agitated, and the shearer and the pilot stepped in. He didn't get on board, and the flight didn't depart with him on board, so all's well.

 

I think the main gripe should be about the cost of an ASIC card, it should not cost what is being charged.

[aro]

21 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Despite Skippys feral hatred of the ASIC card, you have to admit it worked in this case. The offender tried to get aboard the flight, claiming that he was there to do maintenance, but he couldn't present an ASIC card, when the flight attendant asked to see it.

This is nonsense. An ASIC card won't let you on to "do maintenance". You need company ID etc.

 

The ASIC card is for the secure area of the airport, and it failed completely.

[Deano747]

An ASIC for aviation related industries has your company name on it - it IS your company ID  ...........

Tradies ID's are not getting ypo past the door. Do you believe that they would get a chippie to fix a seat or a plumber fix a toilet?

Edited yesterday at 04:15 AM by Deano747

[facthunter]

It's NOT the realm of where it's supposed to operate.. This topic is like stuck record . Get A LIFE. No one out there CARES but NOW is Not the time to achieve any sympathy for the removal of safety orientated Rules..  Nev

[facthunter]

 NOT RAAus one's Deano. The last one I had said "Access ALL Areas".  More scope than my Company one had.   Nev

[Deano747]

6 minutes ago, facthunter said:

 NOT RAAus one's Deano. The last one I had said "Access ALL Areas".  More scope than my Company one had.   Nev

Yes - edited my post. All areas does not include onboard .......

Edited yesterday at 04:20 AM by Deano747

[skippydiesel]

32 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Despite Skippys feral hatred of the ASIC card, you have to admit it worked in this case. The offender tried to get aboard the flight, claiming that he was there to do maintenance, but he couldn't present an ASIC card, when the flight attendant asked to see it. No doubt the attendant realised pretty quickly he was no LAME.

 

At that refusal, he got agitated, and the shearer and the pilot stepped in. He didn't get on board, and the flight didn't depart with him on board, so all's well.

 

I think the main gripe should be about the cost of an ASIC card, it should not cost what is being charged.

Check out the photos in this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-06/avalon-airport-man-firearm-incident/105019482

 

Unless he has been helped into the aircraft, after being apprehended by a passenger & crew member- he got into it himself, with a loaded gun and, what fortunately turned out to be, a fake bomb(s).

 

You are at liberty to deny the obvious. I defend your right to do so but please,  for the good of your reputation, try not to do so publicly & in writing😈

[Deano747]

Question for the admins - how does one block a topic?

 

[facthunter]

Yeah  I'm dead sick of it. Now a waste of time for all involved and bad look.  Nev

[aro]

12 minutes ago, facthunter said:

This topic is like stuck record . Get A LIFE.

Mr 32,000 posts!

 

At least this thread is (was) still on topic

[skippydiesel]

It is one thing to support the indefensible, quite another to call for censorship of those concerned with democracy, freedom and rights. 

 

If you find what I am trying to say/defend uncomfortable/distasteful, there are quite a few totalitarian states to choose from,  why not try one on for size?😈

[KRviator]

Yer know the inherently interesting thing about the ASIC?

It's as useless as a flyscreen in a fucken submarine at any airport that doesn't have RPT, but does still get large-capacity business jets. The KR KRew live adjacent their local airport, we have through-the-fence access to take the RV flying and Mini-Me has got a photo standing in front of a brand-spankers Falcon 8X that had flown in when we pulled up for fuel. The crew were at a hotel, the jet was simply parked with the bungs in and that was it. No armed guards. No guard dogs. Not even security lighting on the tarmac.

Granted, it'd be locked, but that's not going to stop a dedicated "I want to steal a jet" whacko with a toolkit, and said lunatic wouldn't be questioned because there's no need for an ASIC here.

All an ASIC does is give the impression of stopping an identified threat - it'll do nothing at all to stop the unidentified ones....

[facthunter]

So is a"lot of Posts"not to be encouraged? AND I've been here from the very beginning ? Lets take that into account. The only thing I  Rat on about is SAFETY and I approach it from  many  but consistent different angles, It's NOT an attempt at censorship to say we are not progressing any change by saying the same things, Over and Over.  Plenty of "Guests" view all this and I don't see it as a way of attracting newer posters either. Please don't say you don't have to read it. Nev

[Area-51]

[onetrack]

3 hours ago, skippydiesel said:

Check out the photos in this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-06/avalon-airport-man-firearm-incident/105019482

 

Unless he has been helped into the aircraft, after being apprehended by a passenger & crew member- he got into it himself, with a loaded gun and, what fortunately turned out to be, a fake bomb(s).

 

You are at liberty to deny the obvious. I defend your right to do so but please,  for the good of your reputation, try not to do so publicly & in writing😈

Skippy, you're wrong. At no stage did the offender get into the aircraft. The flight attendant stopped him at the door, and the video clearly shows the shearer holding the offender in a chokehold - IN the doorway of the aircraft. Only after crew and pax went through his tool bags did the shearer THROW him, face-down onto the aircraft floor.

[BrendAn]

3 minutes ago, onetrack said:

Skippy, you're wrong. At no stage did the offender get into the aircraft. The flight attendant stopped him at the door, and the video clearly shows the shearer holding the offender in a chokehold - IN the doorway of the aircraft. Only after crew and pax went through his tool bags did the shearer THROW him, face-down onto the aircraft floor.

and the loaded gun was actually broken down and the barrels were empty.

[facthunter]

I'm Not personally Attacking anyone just saying the topic is done to death at the Moment . Ridicule is Not a proper part of this Forum so why indulge in it . ?  You will Lose Participants and we don't need that. . Nev

[BrendAn]

Just now, facthunter said:

I'm Not personally Attacking anyone just saying the topic is done to death at the Moment . Ridicule is Not a proper part of this Forum so why indulge in it . ?  You will Lose Participants and we don't need that. . Nev

what is ridicule. every news report mentions a loaded gun and there never was one.

[facthunter]

I was actually backing you up Brendan and responding to other Posters, Sometimes there's a few frequencies operating at once Here. My Apologies for  the lack of clarity.. Nev