CASA Medical Policy Survey

[jackc]

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https://updates.communication.casa.gov.au/link/id/zzzz626f76bf1b86d719Pzzzz5f2e763f7f30a635/page.html

 

[Student Pilot]

Just had a look at the survey, first they want your name.............

Previous experience with this body makes one VERY careful about putting your name on anything to do with CASA. 

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by Student Pilot

[rgmwa]

On the other hand if more people respond we might see some progress. At least they're making the right noises.

[Thruster88]

Only thirty yes just 30 people responded to the recent Cessna SIDS survey. Good news is it has been signed off, no more sids for private and air work ops.

[trailer]

Untold financial damage to many owners who were forced to park up aircraft or sell for peanuts. CASA was asked by industry not to mandate SIDS. All a little too late for many. Medical reform has been promised for years as well and they haven't been able to agree to move forward. Survey seems like nothing more than smoke and mirrors to me.

[kgwilson]

Like everything else with CASA. Reforms get implemented overseas based on actual evidence like the self declared medical in the UK for PPLs. CASA does nothing for more than 5 years & then finally comes up with a survey rather than looking at pilot fatalities over the past 45 years to establish how many had medical issues as the primary cause as they did in the UK. There they found the risk to be ridiculously low so it was a fait accompli.

[pmccarthy]

I tried to complete the survey but wanted a box that said 'none of the above' in each section.

[Thruster88]

Food poisoning is the most common cause of pilot incapacitation according to an ATSB study I have read. having a medical most likely doesn't help.

 

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/03/dr-chen-au-peh-gets-food-poisoning-bogs.html

 

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2015/ar-2015-096/

Edited May 18, 2022 by Thruster88

[kgwilson]

The only thing that will prevent food poisoning is to not eat the food that poisoned you. Easier said than done as you don't know about it until some time after eating & no-one (other than somebody suicidal) would deliberately eat some food knowing it would poison them. No prior medical is going to help at all.

[waraton]

AUSTRALIAN GENERAL AVIATION ALLIANCE has published a document supporting medical reform with a cut and paste option for CASA survey questions which speak to supporting an urgent reform of the system. Interesting read.

 

https://aopa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/AGAA-Pilot-Medical-Reform-Proposal-2022.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2vfC3ehXbwgAZSyQPgn6eNMGWjTu4cDVR8X95AstB4GWaBlLl3KAZHInE

 

 

[Thruster88]

RAAus "the inventor of self declared medicals" put in a submission 🤔

 

CASA Medical Consultation

Last Friday RAAus made a submission to the CASA Aviation Medical Policy Review consultation. RAAus welcomes CASA’s review of this oft maligned regulation and looks forward to CASA’s review of all consultation feedback, with a focus on addressing risk, learning from the successful practises that have been used by Sport Aviation Bodies for many years including the use of AUSTROADS medical standards, and addressing their own administrative issues associated with Aviation Medicals.

See here for a copy of the RAAus response.

 

As a PPL holder for recreational purposes and RAAus member I found their responses a little disappointing. Would they be protecting their turf? If PPL's get self declared medicals at the same standard it would hurt their business model. Bring on the level playing field. 

 

[Ian]

Generally the evidence points to the whole medical assessment process providing minimal value from a safety perspective. This include both the commercial and private flight environments. There have been no RPT crashes relating to pilot incapacitation due to a physiological condition. To put this is context a significantly greater loss of life has occurred due to mental illness however the industry doesn't focus on this aspect of safety and relies on "self disclosure" as the primary means of diagnosis.

The expense associated with controlling this perceived risk has been enormous over the life of the industry and there is demonstrable evidence that removal of the control makes no difference to outcomes.

While engagement with stakeholders in many instances makes sense in this case there's zero value in the process. The only segment of the community which is impacted is the business which has built up around this folly.

 

[facthunter]

Personality disorders are covered . They don't make much fuss about it for obvious reasons. One CMO used to put you  down as psychologically Unstable if you wished to  dispute what HE decided.. It's a case of pay peanuts and you get monkeys.. I'd say there are plenty of disturbed people flying planes.. That doesn't mean they are of low intelligence.  Nev

[spacesailor]

Sounds good !,

Could we get a little further ? .

Get rid of AGE discrimination !.

It took me over 30 years to get my drivers licence, now with out that drivers licence , l will not be eligible tp hold a Raa cirtificate. 

spacesailor

[facthunter]

It's a matter of meeting the "medical requirements' of a particular licence. AGE alone should not be a determinant IF you meet the standard. Nev

[spacesailor]

AGE DISCRIMINATION .

78 standard license. 

79 sit a FULL driving test.

Before current license has expired .

spacesailor

[cherk]

57 minutes ago, Ian said:

Generally the evidence points to the whole medical assessment process providing minimal value from a safety perspective. This include both the commercial and private flight environments. There have been no RPT crashes relating to pilot incapacitation due to a physiological condition. To put this is context a significantly greater loss of life has occurred due to mental illness however the industry doesn't focus on this aspect of safety and relies on "self disclosure" as the primary means of diagnosis.

The expense associated with controlling this perceived risk has been enormous over the life of the industry and there is demonstrable evidence that removal of the control makes no difference to outcomes.

While engagement with stakeholders in many instances makes sense in this case there's zero value in the process. The only segment of the community which is impacted is the business which has built up around this folly.

 

next stop ASIC??

[Kyle Communications]

Put wings on your wheelchair 🙂

 

[spacesailor]

I have a " EV " mobility scooter.

But

Wings.  !!.

It wouldn,t fit Raa classification.  (  wing loading ).  

spacesailor

[Ian]

21 hours ago, spacesailor said:

AGE DISCRIMINATION .

78 standard license. 

79 sit a FULL driving test.

Before current license has expired .

Yes it's age discrimination however that age discrimination comes with good reason.

https://dit.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/247330/Older_Road_Users_-_Road_Crash_Fact_Sheet.pdf

Even though older drivers often aren't driving in a risky manner they have more accidents and they tend to involve fatalities.

Put bluntly many older drivers are a bit shit and the figures back this up. Hence the test, any competent driver should be able to pass the test.

I do think that the test should be free though.

 

 

[Yenn]

Do you need to hold a drivers licence to be able to have a pilots certificate? I thought you had to be able to pass the drivers licence medical.

Are older drivers more of a risk than others? I thought the high risk age group was the late teen . early adulthood age.

[onetrack]

The figures that state older drivers have a higher road fatality fate and crash rate doesn't stack up on an overall basis. S.A. may be experiencing a higher level of crashes and fatalities amongst older drivers, but it's not a consistent or general trend.

In the U.S., where there are 31M drivers aged over 70, the crash and fatality rates for this group have been falling for the past 25 yrs.

 

https://www.iihs.org/topics/older-drivers

 

There are quite a number of factors that govern an older persons ability behind the controls of either cars or aircraft.

 

1. Whether the person is taking medications, and what effect those medications have on reflexes, cognisance, sleep patterns, and energy levels.

2. Older people develop bad habits over a lengthy period of time, unless they're pulled up on them. That's why regular oversight and checks are important.

3. Older people have worse short-term memory and develop a varying level of forgetfulness. Forgetfulness is a very dangerous factor when you're either driving or flying.

4. "Fixed focus" is more common in older people. They become fixated on one thing that takes all their attention, to the detriment of other important things they need to be constantly aware of. You need to be aware of this, as you age.

5. Faculties such as sight and hearing deteriorate with age, and muscles and joints become stiffer. This is unavoidable, it's simply the aging process at work - but you need to be aware of your reduced limitations, as this decline occurs.

[facthunter]

How good you were at  your best must also have a bearing. Some never reached a high standard at any stage. Provided they drive accordingly maybe it's ok but slow drivers  can help cause accidents. If your neck is stiff and you can't see who's coming on your right, when you are merging, it's risky. I've known a few older people stop driving because of this.. People who  take up  riding motorcycles later in life don't seem to ride well also.  A few I know have had serious accidents.. Nev

[Mewp]

I just identify as a 25yo (you can now in our PC world) and to question me would be discrimination 

[Kyle Communications]

You forgot to say female as well

 

Then its double jepody